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Sounds a lot like the OS/drivers thing :) You buy a webcam/printer which has a driver, but use it with apps made by others. So I guess we need to invent "clou

Sounds a lot like the OS/drivers thing :) You buy a webcam/printer which has a driver, but use it with apps made by others. So I guess we need to invent "cloud drivers".

xt00 7y ago
whoa interesting idea... so you have your online IOT "OS" / "dashboard" thing that runs on a cloud provider and you install a driver for your new hardware that you just bought at the store.. and "buh dunk" your new hardware shows up and you see your face showing up on the webcam stream.. cool!
- tda 7y ago
  That sounds like home assistant icm with esphome. I flash all iot devices I buy with a firmware I trust (or at least is under my control) which is surprisingly easy to do with esphome. I pass a yaml file and a USBtty device to a docker and out comes a new firmware flashed to any of the hundreds of esp32 or esp8266 based iot devices. I have power metering wifi sockets and home brewed breadboards with sensors and 16A/240V power switches all flashed with a firmware the manufacturer has nothing to do with.
  - o-__-o 7y ago
    > all flashed with a firmware the manufacturer has nothing to do with I’m as DIY as you can get, and That does not sound like something I want controlling my power socket while I’m not home
    - TeMPOraL 7y ago
      Personally, I'm worried about plugging DIY hardware to mains. Software though, I don't expect a typical IoT vendor to write anything but total garbage that's more oriented on spying than on working. I'd happily replace it with OS firmware.
      - droithomme 7y ago
        > I'm worried about plugging DIY hardware to mains Are you saying that those of us designing and maintaining our own devices should be legally prohibited from doing so because it is a public safety hazard, and only corporate designed devices should be considered to be safe and pluggable?
        icebraining 7y ago
        How did you go from "I'm worried" to "should be legally prohibited"?
        droithomme 7y ago
        Your comment is a straw man argument and as such is disingenuous.
        TeMPOraL 7y ago
        No, I only said I won't do it, because I don't trust my soldering skills. But you made me think now and yes, I probably wouldn't be comfortable with someone like me living in the flat below mine, and leaving their DIY electronics plugged to mains. You'll note that such limits already exist for products on the market - what keeps your neighbor from burning the whole block down is a complex web of legal requirements and means of recourse that force equipment producers to don't cut corners and don't do too shitty designs. They absolutely would if they could, because it would be cheaper, but the law prevents them from doing so. Which is why your neighbor can safely buy a product in a random western shop and keep it plugged to mains - whereas products imported straight from China will happily burst into flames at random occasions, because there is no legal protection that would make these sellers accountable.

Sounds a lot like the OS/drivers thing :) You buy a webcam/printer which has a driver, but use it with apps made by others. So I guess we need to invent "cloud drivers".

xt00 7y ago

whoa interesting idea... so you have your online IOT "OS" / "dashboard" thing that runs on a cloud provider and you install a driver for your new hardware that you just bought at the store.. and "buh dunk" your new hardware shows up and you see your face showing up on the webcam stream.. cool!

tda 7y ago
That sounds like home assistant icm with esphome. I flash all iot devices I buy with a firmware I trust (or at least is under my control) which is surprisingly easy to do with esphome. I pass a yaml file and a USBtty device to a docker and out comes a new firmware flashed to any of the hundreds of esp32 or esp8266 based iot devices. I have power metering wifi sockets and home brewed breadboards with sensors and 16A/240V power switches all flashed with a firmware the manufacturer has nothing to do with.
- o-__-o 7y ago
  > all flashed with a firmware the manufacturer has nothing to do with I’m as DIY as you can get, and That does not sound like something I want controlling my power socket while I’m not home
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    Personally, I'm worried about plugging DIY hardware to mains. Software though, I don't expect a typical IoT vendor to write anything but total garbage that's more oriented on spying than on working. I'd happily replace it with OS firmware.
    - droithomme 7y ago
      > I'm worried about plugging DIY hardware to mains Are you saying that those of us designing and maintaining our own devices should be legally prohibited from doing so because it is a public safety hazard, and only corporate designed devices should be considered to be safe and pluggable?
      - icebraining 7y ago
        How did you go from "I'm worried" to "should be legally prohibited"?
        droithomme 7y ago
        Your comment is a straw man argument and as such is disingenuous.
      - TeMPOraL 7y ago
        No, I only said I won't do it, because I don't trust my soldering skills. But you made me think now and yes, I probably wouldn't be comfortable with someone like me living in the flat below mine, and leaving their DIY electronics plugged to mains. You'll note that such limits already exist for products on the market - what keeps your neighbor from burning the whole block down is a complex web of legal requirements and means of recourse that force equipment producers to don't cut corners and don't do too shitty designs. They absolutely would if they could, because it would be cheaper, but the law prevents them from doing so. Which is why your neighbor can safely buy a product in a random western shop and keep it plugged to mains - whereas products imported straight from China will happily burst into flames at random occasions, because there is no legal protection that would make these sellers accountable.