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> They are using it as an excuse to protect the spread of disinformation. I really don't think so. They want usage, period. They don't want to actively spread

> They are using it as an excuse to protect the spread of disinformation. I really don't think so. They want usage, period. They don't want to actively spread disinformation. They probably find that editorializing and censoring information annoys users. There's been no proof whatsoever that Russia had any impact via FB on the 2016 election. Most people know this and reject larger narratives that push centralized manipulation of freely publishable information.

jakelazaroff 7y ago
> There's been no proof whatsoever that Russia had any impact via FB on the 2016 election. This is false. Facebook themselves announced that Russia spent $100,000 on ads aimed at U.S. voters. Posts from six Russian propaganda accounts were shared hundreds of millions of times. [1] Effort doesn't equal impact, I suppose, but there's no way of proving the latter and the former is still extremely disturbing. [1] https://www.wired.com/story/inside-facebook-mark-zuckerberg-2-years-of-hell/ https://www.wired.com/story/inside-facebook-mark-zuckerberg-...
- malvosenior 7y ago
  I don't find $100k ad spend on FB disturbing at all, that's not even minuscule. As we both said, there was no measurable impact. To put things in perspective Clinton raised $1.2B for her campaign. I find that much more disturbing than $100k spent on memes. https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/ https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidentia...
  - jakelazaroff 7y ago
    You are framing my words as if I'm saying that the impact of Russian advertising was so small as to be immeasurable, when I'm saying the opposite: it's not measurable so we don't know how large it is. And we're just going to skip over the Russian propaganda that wasn't use paid advertising?
  - dimator 7y ago
    Just by way of example, operation Ajax cost "$100,000 to $20 million." Surely this is not a lot of money compared to what Iran could have spent against it, but it was effective nonetheless. The point being that precision spending is more effective comparatively. You're stuck on the dollar amount while ignoring its precision and network effect. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9...

jakelazaroff 7y ago

> There's been no proof whatsoever that Russia had any impact via FB on the 2016 election. This is false. Facebook themselves announced that Russia spent $100,000 on ads aimed at U.S. voters. Posts from six Russian propaganda accounts were shared hundreds of millions of times. [1] Effort doesn't equal impact, I suppose, but there's no way of proving the latter and the former is still extremely disturbing. [1] https://www.wired.com/story/inside-facebook-mark-zuckerberg-2-years-of-hell/ https://www.wired.com/story/inside-facebook-mark-zuckerberg-...

malvosenior 7y ago
I don't find $100k ad spend on FB disturbing at all, that's not even minuscule. As we both said, there was no measurable impact. To put things in perspective Clinton raised $1.2B for her campaign. I find that much more disturbing than $100k spent on memes. https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/ https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidentia...
- jakelazaroff 7y ago
  You are framing my words as if I'm saying that the impact of Russian advertising was so small as to be immeasurable, when I'm saying the opposite: it's not measurable so we don't know how large it is. And we're just going to skip over the Russian propaganda that wasn't use paid advertising?
- dimator 7y ago
  Just by way of example, operation Ajax cost "$100,000 to $20 million." Surely this is not a lot of money compared to what Iran could have spent against it, but it was effective nonetheless. The point being that precision spending is more effective comparatively. You're stuck on the dollar amount while ignoring its precision and network effect. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9...