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>So people are allowed to fish and kill a lot of them and you guys are more limited on fire many you can fish to reproduce? Wow, I never cease to be surprised b

>So people are allowed to fish and kill a lot of them and you guys are more limited on fire many you can fish to reproduce? Wow, I never cease to be surprised by how stupid government can be. Can you rephrase this in the form of a sentence?

pvaldes 7y ago
Fishermen are allowed to kill the best genetically gifted specimens just before they are about to reproduce; thus talking about low genetic diversity is just an excuse. If you really want to increase genetic diversity there is a really cheap and simple solution. Reduce recreational fishing.
- NotSammyHagar 7y ago
  They determine dynamically each year and for each fish species if there are enough of them to allow for fishing in the rivers and streams the fish migrate through.
  - pvaldes 7y ago
    > They determine dynamically each year and for each fish species if there are enough of them to allow for fishing Okay, ... and is this management working? can counteract the increase of predator pressure (normal predators plus new pirate fishing at sea)? Then all is fine and we shouldn't be talking here about extinction levels, and caring about the future of the salmon, should we? "The Council estimates that the true cost of bringing a single spawner back to that uppermost region is as much as $68,031" Why are even recreative fishers still allowed to catch a 68000 dollars fish (paid with money from taxes) for..., how many?, a fourty dollar license?, 500 dollars in permits and hotel and you can take two or tree fishes? Is a stupid deal. Why they are allowed to destroy all this hard work that aim to return the population to sustainable levels? If you are bored go play baseball, make photos from nature, or read a book. If you want to see fishes, go to an aquarium or see Sponge Bob on tv. Either somebody will fix it, or somebody will eventually have a good time fishing the last one. In both cases problem solved.
    - NotSammyHagar 7y ago
      I think the counting of each year's relative number of different fish species works pretty well and is not controversial. Clearly the overall strategy with its huge number of working parts is not working well. When there are very few of certain species coming back, there is no fishing allowed by recreational fisherman, it's 0.

pvaldes 7y ago

Fishermen are allowed to kill the best genetically gifted specimens just before they are about to reproduce; thus talking about low genetic diversity is just an excuse. If you really want to increase genetic diversity there is a really cheap and simple solution. Reduce recreational fishing.

NotSammyHagar 7y ago
They determine dynamically each year and for each fish species if there are enough of them to allow for fishing in the rivers and streams the fish migrate through.
- pvaldes 7y ago
  > They determine dynamically each year and for each fish species if there are enough of them to allow for fishing Okay, ... and is this management working? can counteract the increase of predator pressure (normal predators plus new pirate fishing at sea)? Then all is fine and we shouldn't be talking here about extinction levels, and caring about the future of the salmon, should we? "The Council estimates that the true cost of bringing a single spawner back to that uppermost region is as much as $68,031" Why are even recreative fishers still allowed to catch a 68000 dollars fish (paid with money from taxes) for..., how many?, a fourty dollar license?, 500 dollars in permits and hotel and you can take two or tree fishes? Is a stupid deal. Why they are allowed to destroy all this hard work that aim to return the population to sustainable levels? If you are bored go play baseball, make photos from nature, or read a book. If you want to see fishes, go to an aquarium or see Sponge Bob on tv. Either somebody will fix it, or somebody will eventually have a good time fishing the last one. In both cases problem solved.
  - NotSammyHagar 7y ago
    I think the counting of each year's relative number of different fish species works pretty well and is not controversial. Clearly the overall strategy with its huge number of working parts is not working well. When there are very few of certain species coming back, there is no fishing allowed by recreational fisherman, it's 0.