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So the chief test pilot for the MAX project complained about this system making the plane uncontrollable and this was all swept under the rug? People need to b

So the chief test pilot for the MAX project complained about this system making the plane uncontrollable and this was all swept under the rug? People need to be put in prison over this. This is negligent homicide.

ulfw 7y ago
The whole FAA needs to be shitcanned is what needs to happen. Their job is to test these planes. It's not like there's 100s of models coming out every year. The 737 is America's best selling and most used plane - bar none. And that one hasn't been tested by the FAA? They just believed Boeing and stamped their approval on it? Well...
- redis_mlc 7y ago
  > Their job is to test these planes. No the FAA certifies airplanes, which is largely a paperwork exercise. They do not have airline designers and test pilots sitting around.
  - ulfw 7y ago
    They don't need to have test pilots "sit around". They fly planes. Like a test pilot does. You can apply to be one here: https://www.avjobs.com/careers/index.asp?Job_Title=FAA+Flight+Test+Pilot&Category=Federal+Government&Related=Pilot&RecID=118 https://www.avjobs.com/careers/index.asp?Job_Title=FAA+Fligh...
Angostura 7y ago
I suppose we dont know what the reaction was do we? Afterall, if Boeing took his complaints seriously and redesigned aspects of the plane, that would be one thing. If he was complaining about the version that subsequently crashed, that would be another.
redis_mlc 7y ago
The pilot mentioned was a technical pilot, not a test pilot. So he was a pilot with additional duties of writing and verifying checklists and manuals, and vendor and client meetings. He would also do acceptance testing, like the MCAS sim test. There could be several of these. A test pilot is a whole level (world actually) beyond that, with an extra $1-2 million in training (hence almost always ex-military) and assigned to major aircraft development programs. Usually only 1 or 2 are assigned to a development program.
tyingq 7y ago
He's joking over IM. He was, among other things, an instructor for the C17 in the USAF.

ulfw 7y ago

The whole FAA needs to be shitcanned is what needs to happen. Their job is to test these planes. It's not like there's 100s of models coming out every year. The 737 is America's best selling and most used plane - bar none. And that one hasn't been tested by the FAA? They just believed Boeing and stamped their approval on it? Well...

redis_mlc 7y ago
> Their job is to test these planes. No the FAA certifies airplanes, which is largely a paperwork exercise. They do not have airline designers and test pilots sitting around.
- ulfw 7y ago
  They don't need to have test pilots "sit around". They fly planes. Like a test pilot does. You can apply to be one here: https://www.avjobs.com/careers/index.asp?Job_Title=FAA+Flight+Test+Pilot&Category=Federal+Government&Related=Pilot&RecID=118 https://www.avjobs.com/careers/index.asp?Job_Title=FAA+Fligh...

Angostura 7y ago

I suppose we dont know what the reaction was do we? Afterall, if Boeing took his complaints seriously and redesigned aspects of the plane, that would be one thing. If he was complaining about the version that subsequently crashed, that would be another.

redis_mlc 7y ago

The pilot mentioned was a technical pilot, not a test pilot. So he was a pilot with additional duties of writing and verifying checklists and manuals, and vendor and client meetings. He would also do acceptance testing, like the MCAS sim test. There could be several of these. A test pilot is a whole level (world actually) beyond that, with an extra $1-2 million in training (hence almost always ex-military) and assigned to major aircraft development programs. Usually only 1 or 2 are assigned to a development program.

tyingq 7y ago

He's joking over IM. He was, among other things, an instructor for the C17 in the USAF.