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We are at kind of reaching climax here, it's going to get harder to collect anymore thing. With the gesture recognition SOLI chips, they managed to introduce wh

We are at kind of reaching climax here, it's going to get harder to collect anymore thing. With the gesture recognition SOLI chips, they managed to introduce what is technically a sexual performance monitor in the android phone near your bed, without even an ounce of resistance from the public. Every advertiser and surveillance wet dream is now achieved. There is no other term than total victory for the post-privacy world. It is time to surrender without conditions before they leverage their knowledge of our declining interests in our wives or of our extra-marital adventures. (edit:There is still time to avoid blood and tears)

pas 7y ago
... if you want privacy, maybe turn off these things on your phone. Even just simply switching off the phone is easy. My phone boots in half a minute and switches off in ~5 seconds. Home automation should have a switch off too.
- pacala 7y ago
  Good luck turning off your home-automation controlled heating when it's 20F outside.
  - pas 7y ago
    That's why it should have an off state. When life support stays on, and nothing else. Maybe a dumb-switch. Also, I haven't said that privacy is not a valid concern. But if heating is so tied to your home automation, then that's a problem. It should be able to maintain a steady temperature, just as simple thermostat system, just like before buying the fancy home automation system. (Sure, there are probably homes being built now with integrated smart/fancy systems, but still, if those lack the aforementioned fallback functionality, then they are very predictability going to have a bad time when the fancy system needs maintenance and the folks living there start to get cold.)
- PeterStuer 7y ago
  Pop quiz: when sampling a a random amount of people on the street, how many would be able to turn off Google Assistant on their phone in 5 minutes?
  - pas 7y ago
    I don't know. But if something is bothering you, find help. I'm not saying complacency/laziness/apathy is not a serious problem in general, but most people are truly not that bothered by their privacy loss. And many do accept the risk of a potential dystopia in exchange for bells and whistles powered via crowdsourced private data.
- perl4ever 7y ago
  I'm not sure why you would think that your phone is 100% off when it's "off". PCs have had an "always on" secondary processor and OS[1] for years now that runs whenever there is power, and you can't remove the battery in most phones, can you? [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine
  - perl4ever 7y ago
    I'm wondering if people think this is "too paranoid" or "too obvious"?
  - pas 7y ago
    I'm fairly confident that if it's off it's not on the network, so it cannot be turned on remotely either. (Baseband hacking and fake-off malware aside. That would be very easily detected, because batteries would die left and right.) Sure, it's not 100.0% off, for example the battery management system is consuming some power, and maybe it's motherboard is "energized" like with ATX boards, so it can respond to switch on via keypress (which worked on PS/2, and probably there's some USB functionality that can do this too).

pas 7y ago

... if you want privacy, maybe turn off these things on your phone. Even just simply switching off the phone is easy. My phone boots in half a minute and switches off in ~5 seconds. Home automation should have a switch off too.

pacala 7y ago
Good luck turning off your home-automation controlled heating when it's 20F outside.
- pas 7y ago
  That's why it should have an off state. When life support stays on, and nothing else. Maybe a dumb-switch. Also, I haven't said that privacy is not a valid concern. But if heating is so tied to your home automation, then that's a problem. It should be able to maintain a steady temperature, just as simple thermostat system, just like before buying the fancy home automation system. (Sure, there are probably homes being built now with integrated smart/fancy systems, but still, if those lack the aforementioned fallback functionality, then they are very predictability going to have a bad time when the fancy system needs maintenance and the folks living there start to get cold.)
PeterStuer 7y ago
Pop quiz: when sampling a a random amount of people on the street, how many would be able to turn off Google Assistant on their phone in 5 minutes?
- pas 7y ago
  I don't know. But if something is bothering you, find help. I'm not saying complacency/laziness/apathy is not a serious problem in general, but most people are truly not that bothered by their privacy loss. And many do accept the risk of a potential dystopia in exchange for bells and whistles powered via crowdsourced private data.
perl4ever 7y ago
I'm not sure why you would think that your phone is 100% off when it's "off". PCs have had an "always on" secondary processor and OS[1] for years now that runs whenever there is power, and you can't remove the battery in most phones, can you? [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine
- perl4ever 7y ago
  I'm wondering if people think this is "too paranoid" or "too obvious"?
- pas 7y ago
  I'm fairly confident that if it's off it's not on the network, so it cannot be turned on remotely either. (Baseband hacking and fake-off malware aside. That would be very easily detected, because batteries would die left and right.) Sure, it's not 100.0% off, for example the battery management system is consuming some power, and maybe it's motherboard is "energized" like with ATX boards, so it can respond to switch on via keypress (which worked on PS/2, and probably there's some USB functionality that can do this too).