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Wow they used a legal loophole to steal a church artifact and seize it for the state. The story is interesting but the painting has been there for hundreds of y

by wincy 7y ago

Wow they used a legal loophole to steal a church artifact and seize it for the state. The story is interesting but the painting has been there for hundreds of years, and was made by a nun. Would she really have wanted it to be stolen from a convent so godless materialists could ogle at it and feel good about women’s liberation?

asveikau 7y ago
Obviously neither of us can speak for them, but somehow I kind of doubt the people at the church would use such charged and possessive language. I would think they would be glad to see it restored (looked like it was in bad shape) and bringing joy to more people in a museum. And it seems even that the museum is a former church where it stood anyway? Did I get that right?
- jaclaz 7y ago
  Santa Maria Novella is a large "complex" comprising both the church and monastery (and the museum) see: https://www.smn.it/en/ https://www.smn.it/en/ https://www.smn.it/en/opera-santa-maria-novella/ https://www.smn.it/en/opera-santa-maria-novella/ http://museicivicifiorentini.comune.fi.it/en/smn/visitamuseo/ http://museicivicifiorentini.comune.fi.it/en/smn/visitamuseo... A part of it (the so-called monastero nuovo or "new monastery" on the side of the station) has been for almost 100 years rented to the Carabinieri that had there a School for Officers, that recently moved so that the buildings were returned to the city: http://museicivicifiorentini.comune.fi.it/export/sites/museicivici/materiali/SMN_Anteprima_di_un_grande_museo-_pannelli_195x185.pdf http://museicivicifiorentini.comune.fi.it/export/sites/musei...
- wahern 7y ago
  > The friars were supportive of restoration efforts on Nelli’s “Last Supper,” but they didn’t want to permanently release it from their refectory. “They saw it as part of their day-to-day life and were very concerned that I and other art historians and officials would want to remove it from their dining room,” Nelson recalls of the monks’ attitude when he saw the painting in the 1990s. “Which is exactly what happened.”
nrp 7y ago
It’s kind of hard to follow in the article, but the painting was moved to a different location within the same church complex that was converted into a museum. It’s hard to call that stealing it, and beside the public benefit. it’s likely a better spot for it to be preserved long term.
mikece 7y ago
“Would she really have wanted it stolen..?” The painting is inscribed “pray for the painter” and anything that would bring that message to more people is what she would want.

by wincy 7y ago

asveikau 7y ago

Obviously neither of us can speak for them, but somehow I kind of doubt the people at the church would use such charged and possessive language. I would think they would be glad to see it restored (looked like it was in bad shape) and bringing joy to more people in a museum. And it seems even that the museum is a former church where it stood anyway? Did I get that right?

jaclaz 7y ago
Santa Maria Novella is a large "complex" comprising both the church and monastery (and the museum) see: https://www.smn.it/en/ https://www.smn.it/en/ https://www.smn.it/en/opera-santa-maria-novella/ https://www.smn.it/en/opera-santa-maria-novella/ http://museicivicifiorentini.comune.fi.it/en/smn/visitamuseo/ http://museicivicifiorentini.comune.fi.it/en/smn/visitamuseo... A part of it (the so-called monastero nuovo or "new monastery" on the side of the station) has been for almost 100 years rented to the Carabinieri that had there a School for Officers, that recently moved so that the buildings were returned to the city: http://museicivicifiorentini.comune.fi.it/export/sites/museicivici/materiali/SMN_Anteprima_di_un_grande_museo-_pannelli_195x185.pdf http://museicivicifiorentini.comune.fi.it/export/sites/musei...
wahern 7y ago
> The friars were supportive of restoration efforts on Nelli’s “Last Supper,” but they didn’t want to permanently release it from their refectory. “They saw it as part of their day-to-day life and were very concerned that I and other art historians and officials would want to remove it from their dining room,” Nelson recalls of the monks’ attitude when he saw the painting in the 1990s. “Which is exactly what happened.”

nrp 7y ago

It’s kind of hard to follow in the article, but the painting was moved to a different location within the same church complex that was converted into a museum. It’s hard to call that stealing it, and beside the public benefit. it’s likely a better spot for it to be preserved long term.

mikece 7y ago

“Would she really have wanted it stolen..?” The painting is inscribed “pray for the painter” and anything that would bring that message to more people is what she would want.