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DeepMind's AlphaZero? I think it's an incoherent premise to suggest that you could have a human with no contextual knowledge or experience that pertains to pla

DeepMind's AlphaZero? I think it's an incoherent premise to suggest that you could have a human with no contextual knowledge or experience that pertains to playing an arbitrary game. There's no blank-slate human that you could test like that. Even the act of finding food and eating, walking around and avoiding hazards, observing the movement and behavior of other people and animals..those experiences shape a person's ability to interpret an environment and model the agents within it. Those priors would be useful for any first-attempt at a game.

ajna91 7y ago
AlphaGo needs to be retrained for new games. The breakthrough was in having a generic training algorithm that could be set loose on many games and learn them.
chongli 7y ago
Oh, feel free to have your AI read all the books and watch all the films you want. Heck, you can even let your system read the game’s manual, just as a kid would do if they got stuck in the game. The only restriction is that it can’t play any video games as training. The point of my challenge is to demonstrate understanding by being able to translate cultural and contextual information into a new medium. So rather than just making connections between different texts, you need to be able to take a text and leverage it to understand what’s happening on the screen in a video game.
- doctorpangloss 7y ago
  Maybe you've already learned this from the replies, but it's not really possible to have an intellectual dialog about the meaning or limitations of this research. So while I get what you're saying and I'm sympathetic to your point of view, it's too late. The cloud bucks and 5x VC multiples that can be made on this stuff is too good. Even academics, whose whole advantage is that they can resist market forces, have very lucrative careers awaiting them if they publish the right stuff. Then there's all the adjacent benefits. Like what good does it to be publicly skeptical of DeepMind? Google is everywhere in tech and science. Or even some random guy's paper, like where is he going to work? I can count the number of opportunities on my hand, and they all have a lot of influence in technology broadly. You don't even have to be doing AI for it to be rational to simply say, "Wow what an Amazing Discovery" and move along. There's literally no forum that profits from skepticism. Nobody wins when "AI," whatever it is attached to, loses.

ajna91 7y ago

AlphaGo needs to be retrained for new games. The breakthrough was in having a generic training algorithm that could be set loose on many games and learn them.

chongli 7y ago

Oh, feel free to have your AI read all the books and watch all the films you want. Heck, you can even let your system read the game’s manual, just as a kid would do if they got stuck in the game. The only restriction is that it can’t play any video games as training. The point of my challenge is to demonstrate understanding by being able to translate cultural and contextual information into a new medium. So rather than just making connections between different texts, you need to be able to take a text and leverage it to understand what’s happening on the screen in a video game.

doctorpangloss 7y ago
Maybe you've already learned this from the replies, but it's not really possible to have an intellectual dialog about the meaning or limitations of this research. So while I get what you're saying and I'm sympathetic to your point of view, it's too late. The cloud bucks and 5x VC multiples that can be made on this stuff is too good. Even academics, whose whole advantage is that they can resist market forces, have very lucrative careers awaiting them if they publish the right stuff. Then there's all the adjacent benefits. Like what good does it to be publicly skeptical of DeepMind? Google is everywhere in tech and science. Or even some random guy's paper, like where is he going to work? I can count the number of opportunities on my hand, and they all have a lot of influence in technology broadly. You don't even have to be doing AI for it to be rational to simply say, "Wow what an Amazing Discovery" and move along. There's literally no forum that profits from skepticism. Nobody wins when "AI," whatever it is attached to, loses.