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Is mixed SFW/NSFW social media more trouble than it's worth? Tumblr did the same thing. Permitting NSFW may enable some promising growth stats in the early stag
by prvc 7y ago
Is mixed SFW/NSFW social media more trouble than it's worth? Tumblr did the same thing. Permitting NSFW may enable some promising growth stats in the early stages, but perhaps there isn't a lot of long term value to be extracted from it.
- rpmisms 7y agoTumblr is dying fast, because they removed their nsfw content.
- Mirioron 7y agoThat's the point the parent poster is making: tumblr had incredible growth at the start and stayed popular, but it was difficult to monetize because of the nsfw content.
- elsonrodriguez 7y agoIt was difficult to monetize because rather than resetting advertiser expectations for what it means to engage with tumblr's user base, they destroyed their product instead.
- Mirioron 7y agoYou say that, but I'm sure many platforms have tried doing that for a long time. 4chan, for example, struggled with this from the start and as far as I know, they haven't come up with a solution that isn't porn ads.
- djsumdog 7y agoWe don't have the internal charts of advertisement revenue and engagement. What if they had tried a lot and that line kept shifting down and down, with small bumps here and there with limited sales successes? What if the execs at Verizon were like, "We don't want to keep going down that route .. we don't want those types of advertisers .. we need to not be afraid of associating this more with the Verizon brand?" I have a feeling there was a lot of internal push back and fourth, but they were either losing too much money or only getting advertisers they weren't comfortable with. It's more complicated that just advertisers expectations.
- lonelappde 7y agoApple locked NSFW off Tumblr via it's App Store lockdown. https://www.fastcompany.com/90304153/seven-weeks-after-nsfw-ban-tumblr-still-bulges-with-porn https://www.fastcompany.com/90304153/seven-weeks-after-nsfw-...
- loceng 7y agoFrom my understanding this was due to excess or unreasonably long times to remove child sexual abuse content.
- catalogia 7y ago> "resetting advertiser expectations for what it means to engage with tumblr's user base" If the only way to save your platform is to reform society, then your platform is already dead.
- rpmisms 7y agoDoesn't change that the NSFW content was the glue for the community. Without a community, you don't even have a chance at monetiztion.
- mbreese 7y agoWell, that's also the question -- if they hadn't allowed NSFW content in the beginning, would a different community (an easier to monetize community) have arisen? There's no way to know.
- catalogia 7y agoTumblr was dying the moment they began relying on nsfw content. Like a soaking wet arctic explorer who feels warm because his body has begun shutting down bloodflow to his limbs. The sensation of thriving/warmth masks the reality; that the situation is already incompatible with survival and it's only a matter of time before he collapses, no matter how great he feels in that moment.
- djsumdog 7y agoThey still had large communities of people independent of porn; lots of left leaning, LGBTQ audiences .. lots of young adults and high school kids oddly ... but they had always allowed NSFW content, so that segment kept growing as well. It's hard to separate the two at that point.
- catalogia 7y agoAnd that's what did them in. It was inevitable from the beginning, what happened was only a matter of time. Porn kills monetization and having a userbase that insists on having porn will consequently kill your platform. It may seem to be running smoothly for a while, but that's just borrowed time.
- thescribbblr 7y agoWhy NSFW contents became problem for both Tumblr and now Imgur? Anything specific?
- djsumdog 7y agohmm .. so do you think Reddit is going to hit the same issue soon? I wonder if Reddit will ban all NSFW subs within the next year or two.
- catalogia 7y agoIt's not clear to me how important porn is to reddit; it's possible reddit could ban porn without upsetting most of their users. Not every site with porn is doomed. In the long run though, I expect reddit to ban porn. It might be a few more years, there are a lot of factors in play, including the patience of their investors and whether or not an influential media company decides to do an exposé on reddit hosting amateur pornography without vetting peoples' ages and/or hosting professional pornography in violation of copyright law.
- loktarogar 7y agoTumblr wiped off half their value by doing that.
- monocasa 7y agoMore than half, didn't they sell for $3M or something absurd?
- larkeith 7y agoYep. Purchased in 2013 for $1.1B, sold in 2019 for <$3M. More than 99.7% value lost. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumblr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumblr
- lonelappde 7y agoMost of that was an absurd overvaluation followed by smothering to death by titan of industry Marisa Mayer, who can always be relied on to lose a billion dollars if there's $10milliom in it for her.
- Spooky23 7y agoIt’s probably good for reddi
- efdee 7y agoFunny, your comment kind of reads like you were assassinated mid sentence by HackerNews robots just for mentioning a rival network like reddi
- yellowapple 7y agoIt's almost like they think reddi
- commandlinefan 7y agoIt’ll be interesting to see how cooperative Reddit’s user base (and moderator base) will be with this. Of course they mark certain subs NSFW by default, but I’ve come across a fair bit of content on non-NSFW subs that’s definitely NSFW; usually somebody points that out, OP tags it, and that’s that. However, if NSFW links don’t work on Imgur and uploaders just stop tagging content as NSFW to circumvent that, will Imgur have to have moderators review content as well? One thing that a lot of people miss about crowd-sourced censorship is that the majority of the crowd has to be on board with it or it doesn’t work.
- posix_compliant 7y agoThey're not deleting content, just forcing you to log in.
- devy 7y agoQuite possibly another Tumblr moment for Imgur. We'll see.