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Totally coincidental collection of cases about > delayed medical attention to a warehouse worker during a cardiac arrest I'm not trying to say that Amazon war

by 2rsf 7y ago

Totally coincidental collection of cases about > delayed medical attention to a warehouse worker during a cardiac arrest I'm not trying to say that Amazon warehouses are a good place to work for, but if you want to be taken seriously make an effort to bring meaningful numbers. How many workers work at Amazon's warehouses ? 6 out of 125,000 [0] seems like a rather low rate Were there any laws or regulations broken ? What is expected from a nominal workplace before and when a worker suffers from a heart condition ? [0] https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/25/18516004/amazon-warehouse-fulfillment-centers-productivity-firing-terminations https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/25/18516004/amazon-warehouse...

corodra 7y ago
The biggest issue is that every single incident is met with some extremely poor response. How would you feel if your spouse or sibling was lying on the floor for 20 minutes before anyone noticed? But holy shit, they put an item in the wrong place, 60 second response on an ass chewing. Seriously, the "personal medical issue", if dealt with just as fast as the misplaced item, could have actually saved his life. Timeliness and telling other people to just ignore what's going on and keep working... other companies give people the day off or quarantine the area. It's a pretty fucked up situation for a lot of people. This isn't the military. It's a warehouse fulfilling movies and other useless junk that half the customers don't even remember ordering. There's no real mission to trudge through other than making sure Bezos can buy something else shiny.
- DuskStar 7y ago
  > The biggest issue is that every single incident is met with some extremely poor response. Do we actually know this? My impression is that only the poor responses would be reported on for us to see.
Cthulhu_ 7y ago
What is expected from a nominal workplace is that they spot someone collapsing on the floor and give that top priority - I mean the article mentions a 20 minute response time, that's not normal for a busy warehouse. Vs a 2 minute response time for making a mistake. Also, do you work or are you paid for by Amazon? It's known they pay people to say how great it is to work at Amazon on e.g. twitter - not dystopian at all. I get really paranoid whenever someone jumps to the defense (or in your case sows doubt about an accusation towards) of a major corporation which can afford to both halve workload and double wages of all of their employees without having to worry about their bottom line too much.
- GarrisonPrime 7y ago
  Considering how many blind spots their warehouses must have, and how rarely many of the isles might be visited, I don’t think any special maleficence or irresponsibility is required for some down person to be missed for a while. Not saying they shouldn’t be fixing this problem, just that it seems like a problem even the most perfectly humane company could easily have. And you might want to check your paranoia. It doesn’t make you a reliable source of opinion to flat-out say you don’t believe anything made in defense of your predetermined villains. Amazon barely makes any profit, you may have heard. It’s completely wrong to claim they could halve the work and double the wages. Such assertions make you come across as delusional and biased.
  - pjc50 7y ago
    > Amazon barely makes any profit, you may have heard And yet somehow Bezos has over a hundred billion dollars and a space program. Where did that come from if not profit? The fact that it doesn't go in the box marked "profit" on the accounts doesn't mean that it isn't the extraction of surplus value.
  - thedaemon 7y ago
    Amazon barely makes a profit.... you are just strengthening their paranoia by making such ludicrous claims! Such assertions you make come off across as delusional and biased. Jeff Bezos' net worth is billions and billions. Yet, no profit here. Give us a break and continue to collect your paycheck form Amazon.
  - jacobush 7y ago
    Delusional... wow. Is it the same Amazon famous for avoiding profit for years to play the long game?
  - fzzzy 7y ago
    Amazon barely makes any profit because they invest nearly 100% of revenues back into new, non-revenue-generating initiatives, to avoid paying taxes and set themselves up for potential future revenue streams in new areas. They could have huge profits overnight if they wanted to, they'd just have to cut back on developing delivery drones and funding astroturfing campaigns on hacker news, and they'd also have to pay taxes.

by 2rsf 7y ago

corodra 7y ago

The biggest issue is that every single incident is met with some extremely poor response. How would you feel if your spouse or sibling was lying on the floor for 20 minutes before anyone noticed? But holy shit, they put an item in the wrong place, 60 second response on an ass chewing. Seriously, the "personal medical issue", if dealt with just as fast as the misplaced item, could have actually saved his life. Timeliness and telling other people to just ignore what's going on and keep working... other companies give people the day off or quarantine the area. It's a pretty fucked up situation for a lot of people. This isn't the military. It's a warehouse fulfilling movies and other useless junk that half the customers don't even remember ordering. There's no real mission to trudge through other than making sure Bezos can buy something else shiny.

DuskStar 7y ago
> The biggest issue is that every single incident is met with some extremely poor response. Do we actually know this? My impression is that only the poor responses would be reported on for us to see.

Cthulhu_ 7y ago

What is expected from a nominal workplace is that they spot someone collapsing on the floor and give that top priority - I mean the article mentions a 20 minute response time, that's not normal for a busy warehouse. Vs a 2 minute response time for making a mistake. Also, do you work or are you paid for by Amazon? It's known they pay people to say how great it is to work at Amazon on e.g. twitter - not dystopian at all. I get really paranoid whenever someone jumps to the defense (or in your case sows doubt about an accusation towards) of a major corporation which can afford to both halve workload and double wages of all of their employees without having to worry about their bottom line too much.

GarrisonPrime 7y ago
Considering how many blind spots their warehouses must have, and how rarely many of the isles might be visited, I don’t think any special maleficence or irresponsibility is required for some down person to be missed for a while. Not saying they shouldn’t be fixing this problem, just that it seems like a problem even the most perfectly humane company could easily have. And you might want to check your paranoia. It doesn’t make you a reliable source of opinion to flat-out say you don’t believe anything made in defense of your predetermined villains. Amazon barely makes any profit, you may have heard. It’s completely wrong to claim they could halve the work and double the wages. Such assertions make you come across as delusional and biased.
- pjc50 7y ago
  > Amazon barely makes any profit, you may have heard And yet somehow Bezos has over a hundred billion dollars and a space program. Where did that come from if not profit? The fact that it doesn't go in the box marked "profit" on the accounts doesn't mean that it isn't the extraction of surplus value.
- thedaemon 7y ago
  Amazon barely makes a profit.... you are just strengthening their paranoia by making such ludicrous claims! Such assertions you make come off across as delusional and biased. Jeff Bezos' net worth is billions and billions. Yet, no profit here. Give us a break and continue to collect your paycheck form Amazon.
- jacobush 7y ago
  Delusional... wow. Is it the same Amazon famous for avoiding profit for years to play the long game?
- fzzzy 7y ago
  Amazon barely makes any profit because they invest nearly 100% of revenues back into new, non-revenue-generating initiatives, to avoid paying taxes and set themselves up for potential future revenue streams in new areas. They could have huge profits overnight if they wanted to, they'd just have to cut back on developing delivery drones and funding astroturfing campaigns on hacker news, and they'd also have to pay taxes.