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This doesn't help actually fix the problem, because you have equivalent problems with irresponsible production of plant based food (soil erosion, destruction of
by spion 7y ago
This doesn't help actually fix the problem, because you have equivalent problems with irresponsible production of plant based food (soil erosion, destruction of entire ecosystems and replacing them with plant fields and so on).
If we keep attacking the problem from the wrong angle, we won't ever have a good solution.
- vfc1 7y ago> irresponsible production of plant based food (soil erosion, destruction of entire ecosystems and replacing them with plant fields In most cases, this is actually done to create feed crops like soy and corn. Most of the agricultural fields in the world are used to feed animals either used for slaughter or for dairy and not to feed people directly. Feeding the same amount of people directly instead of feeding animals and then eating them could be done with a fraction of the agricultural resources. Dairy production is actually one of the most environmentally impactful things that we do, if we want to go that route.
- vonmoltke 7y ago> In most cases, this is actually done to create feed crops like soy and corn. Soy and corn, particularly corn, have many uses beyond animal feed. > Most of the agricultural fields in the world are used to feed animals either used for slaughter or for dairy and not to feed people directly. Please support that statement.
- vfc1 7y agoHere is a source: https://www.globalagriculture.org/report-topics/meat-and-animal-feed.html https://www.globalagriculture.org/report-topics/meat-and-ani... > Livestock is the world's largest user of land resources, with pasture and arable land dedicated to the production of feed representing almost 80% of the total agricultural land. One-third of global arable land is used to grow feed, while 26% of the Earth's ice-free terrestrial surface is used for grazing.
- spion 7y agoPasture land isn't really usable for anything else, and the level of destruction caused by converting land to monocrops far exceeds that of animal grazing.
- vfc1 7y agoA lot of pasture land, for example in Amazonia has actually been created by systematic deforestation, also in Europe, which was deforested a couple of centuries ago. So a lot of that land could be used for reforesting. And if it would be so simple to use that land to raise cattle, why are there factory farms then? It sounds cheaper to raise the cows on grass which is free food, unlike rations. Clearly the amount of meat produced that way is not sufficient for the demand.
- vonmoltke 7y agoNon-arable land cannot be used to feed people directly, by definition. That makes your original statement misleading at best.
- SuoDuanDao 7y agoagree 100%. I don't know of any truly sustainable farms that don't involve some nonhuman animals in the value chain. The problem is not that industrial farming is less efficient when incorporating animals, it's that we're calculating efficiency in terms of fossil fuels in > Calories out. There are all sorts of alternatives to that paradigm, but none allow us to compare a single metric for both. The nature of the debate reminds me of the apocryphal drunk, looking for his car keys below the streetlamp even though he knows he didn't lose them there.