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I think this previous discussion details the most recent cause of friction: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21286074 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2

by majjam 7y ago

I think this previous discussion details the most recent cause of friction: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21286074 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21286074

curtisblaine 7y ago
Before even opening the link I knew it was something having to do with the use of pronouns. Sometimes I think we are concentrating on (and fighting over) the wrong problems. Anyway, there's a timeline of the drama directly from Monica: https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2019/10/05/stack-overflow-fiasco-timeline.html https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2019/10/05/stack-overflow-fias... > "A queer moderator resigned in anger, with complaints about community managers, other moderators, and the "entrenched power structure", and vague accusations of bigotry" >"a different moderator (henceforth OP) asked a question, tagged "discussion", on the moderators' private Q&A site ("team"): should we require people to use people's preferred pronouns? (Again, the moderator, who is trans, used the term "preferred".) OP self-answered to say, somewhat vehemently, that we absolutely must require this and using wrong pronouns is misgendering. I answered saying that we already have a negative commandment, don't call people what they don't want to be called (like wrong pronouns), which is proper, but this question calls for adding a positive requirement to use specific language and we shouldn't do that. I talked about writing in a gender-neutral way, that we rarely even need third-person-singular pronouns in our discussions, and not using a pronoun at all isn't misgendering. This was the top-voted answer, something like +53/-10 last I saw it. Note: Three different community managers posted answers after I did, and none said my answer was inappropriate in any way. (One disagreed with it, which is fine.)"

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I think this previous discussion details the most recent cause of friction: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21286074 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2

by majjam 7y ago

I think this previous discussion details the most recent cause of friction: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21286074 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21286074

curtisblaine 7y ago
Before even opening the link I knew it was something having to do with the use of pronouns. Sometimes I think we are concentrating on (and fighting over) the wrong problems. Anyway, there's a timeline of the drama directly from Monica: https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2019/10/05/stack-overflow-fiasco-timeline.html https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2019/10/05/stack-overflow-fias... > "A queer moderator resigned in anger, with complaints about community managers, other moderators, and the "entrenched power structure", and vague accusations of bigotry" >"a different moderator (henceforth OP) asked a question, tagged "discussion", on the moderators' private Q&A site ("team"): should we require people to use people's preferred pronouns? (Again, the moderator, who is trans, used the term "preferred".) OP self-answered to say, somewhat vehemently, that we absolutely must require this and using wrong pronouns is misgendering. I answered saying that we already have a negative commandment, don't call people what they don't want to be called (like wrong pronouns), which is proper, but this question calls for adding a positive requirement to use specific language and we shouldn't do that. I talked about writing in a gender-neutral way, that we rarely even need third-person-singular pronouns in our discussions, and not using a pronoun at all isn't misgendering. This was the top-voted answer, something like +53/-10 last I saw it. Note: Three different community managers posted answers after I did, and none said my answer was inappropriate in any way. (One disagreed with it, which is fine.)"