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For babies, not for adults. Adult animals in most species can't even drink milk, they can't digest it anymore past infancy. Biologically this means that the in

by vfc1 7y ago

For babies, not for adults. Adult animals in most species can't even drink milk, they can't digest it anymore past infancy. Biologically this means that the infant would release the mother so that they could have another child, so there is biological adaption on most species to not drink milk past a certain age. And we have it too via lactose intolerance, which is normal. However, some relatively small percentage of humans developed the ability to drink milk around 10k years ago in Turkey, but it's not perfect. It gets worse with age as one would expect. Human babies shouldn't drink cow's milk, it's completely unnecessary and there are questions about it's effect on long-term human health.

anonymousDan 7y ago
Sorry you're completely scaremongering here. Can you point to any actual evidence to back up your claims?
- cariaso 7y ago
  Most of the statements there are reasonably well founded. The specifics of 'Turkey' may be a bit off, but broadly I'd agree with the comment you're replying to. https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Lactose_intolerance https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Lactose_intolerance and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase_persistence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase_persistence
  - roland00 7y ago
    Agreed generally but as my own memory of reading these research papers and what wikipedia points out that lactase persistence is not caused by a single gene but there are several different gene variants that can produce this same effect. And we know since the mid 2000s by a dozen or so genetic studies that these genes did not arrive from a single culture or single timeframe, but are an example of "convergent evolution" aka it was beneficial for humans generally and thus when independent random mutations occurred they persisted longer for those people were more likely to breed and thrive. This happened several times in human history and are not a singular event. And thus individual humans may have Lactase Persistence in adulthood and other individual humans may not have the persistence. Furthermore how much Lactose you can process with the Lactase enzyme is a dependent process where some people can handle some quantities but not too much quantity of Lactose all at once.
qaq 7y ago
There are questions about effects of almost anything on long-term human health. Over-stressing about what to eat like any other type of stress might not be that healthy even in the short term :)
kuu 7y ago
> Adult animals in most species can't even drink milk, they can't digest it anymore past infancy. But we're not animals. Animals cannot drive cars (not even the babies!) and we do. We're different than animals in some aspects. Some of us are able to digest milk
- rimliu 7y ago
  Indeed, "we have evolved to be able to do something, but other species did not, so we should not do it neither" is a very backward argument.
  - vfc1 7y ago
    The point was that its actually a very unnatural thing to be doing, and that we only evolved very recently to be able to even do it. Also, there is a whole spectrum to it. You don't have to be 100% medically diagnosed as lactose intolerant, it might cause you ocasional digestive issues without you even know it. Like those unexplained, once a month or once every 3 months diarrheas that many of us take as a fact of life, it's actually not normal and might very well be dairy that is causing it for a lot of people.
    - yulaow 7y ago
      Most animals don't eat cooked meat but just raw meat. If you follow that reasoning is very unnatural for us to cook meat, we should switch to raw meat.
      - vfc1 7y ago
        The point was that drinking milk is something humans have only very recently in our evolutionary history have adapted to doing, so we are still adapting and a lot of us can't do it very well at all. At least, a lot of us do it a lot worst than we realize, and there are a ton of people with recurring mild digestive issues which should not be consuming dairy daily at all, but keep doing do due to the public perception that its a healthy thing to do when in fact it's not.
    - 7y ago
dsfyu404ed 7y ago
>For babies, not for adults. There's an entire class of people called "children" who are neither babies nor adults who can benefit from drinking milk (or any other good source of calcium).
CathedralBorrow 7y ago
> Human babies shouldn't drink cow's milk, it's completely unnecessary and there are questions about it's effect on long-term human health. 1. According to whom? 2. Can you name a type of food that has zero questions about its effect on long-term human health?
gsich 7y ago
>And we have it too via lactose intolerance, which is normal. Globally seen yes. Locally it depends. Living in i.e Europe and having lactose intolerance is not normal.

by vfc1 7y ago

anonymousDan 7y ago

Sorry you're completely scaremongering here. Can you point to any actual evidence to back up your claims?

cariaso 7y ago
Most of the statements there are reasonably well founded. The specifics of 'Turkey' may be a bit off, but broadly I'd agree with the comment you're replying to. https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Lactose_intolerance https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Lactose_intolerance and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase_persistence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase_persistence
- roland00 7y ago
  Agreed generally but as my own memory of reading these research papers and what wikipedia points out that lactase persistence is not caused by a single gene but there are several different gene variants that can produce this same effect. And we know since the mid 2000s by a dozen or so genetic studies that these genes did not arrive from a single culture or single timeframe, but are an example of "convergent evolution" aka it was beneficial for humans generally and thus when independent random mutations occurred they persisted longer for those people were more likely to breed and thrive. This happened several times in human history and are not a singular event. And thus individual humans may have Lactase Persistence in adulthood and other individual humans may not have the persistence. Furthermore how much Lactose you can process with the Lactase enzyme is a dependent process where some people can handle some quantities but not too much quantity of Lactose all at once.

qaq 7y ago

There are questions about effects of almost anything on long-term human health. Over-stressing about what to eat like any other type of stress might not be that healthy even in the short term :)

kuu 7y ago

> Adult animals in most species can't even drink milk, they can't digest it anymore past infancy. But we're not animals. Animals cannot drive cars (not even the babies!) and we do. We're different than animals in some aspects. Some of us are able to digest milk

rimliu 7y ago
Indeed, "we have evolved to be able to do something, but other species did not, so we should not do it neither" is a very backward argument.
- vfc1 7y ago
  The point was that its actually a very unnatural thing to be doing, and that we only evolved very recently to be able to even do it. Also, there is a whole spectrum to it. You don't have to be 100% medically diagnosed as lactose intolerant, it might cause you ocasional digestive issues without you even know it. Like those unexplained, once a month or once every 3 months diarrheas that many of us take as a fact of life, it's actually not normal and might very well be dairy that is causing it for a lot of people.
  - yulaow 7y ago
    Most animals don't eat cooked meat but just raw meat. If you follow that reasoning is very unnatural for us to cook meat, we should switch to raw meat.
    - vfc1 7y ago
      The point was that drinking milk is something humans have only very recently in our evolutionary history have adapted to doing, so we are still adapting and a lot of us can't do it very well at all. At least, a lot of us do it a lot worst than we realize, and there are a ton of people with recurring mild digestive issues which should not be consuming dairy daily at all, but keep doing do due to the public perception that its a healthy thing to do when in fact it's not.
  - 7y ago

dsfyu404ed 7y ago

>For babies, not for adults. There's an entire class of people called "children" who are neither babies nor adults who can benefit from drinking milk (or any other good source of calcium).

CathedralBorrow 7y ago

> Human babies shouldn't drink cow's milk, it's completely unnecessary and there are questions about it's effect on long-term human health. 1. According to whom? 2. Can you name a type of food that has zero questions about its effect on long-term human health?

gsich 7y ago

>And we have it too via lactose intolerance, which is normal. Globally seen yes. Locally it depends. Living in i.e Europe and having lactose intolerance is not normal.