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I'm not particular aware of Anil Dash's role in this, but what I had in mind was the following: This is the post Joel Spolsky posted, breaking the user rules t

I'm not particular aware of Anil Dash's role in this, but what I had in mind was the following: This is the post Joel Spolsky posted, breaking the user rules that stated among other things that political posts where not allowed: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/297859/can-stack-overflow-and-metas-logos-be-changed-temporarily-to-the-loveoverflow/297871#297871 https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/297859/can-stack-ov... Then, a couple of years later - https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/342440/time-to-take-a-stand https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/342440/time-to-take... at the same time Sam Altman posted his (since I mentioned Y Combinator, but in fairness, at his own blog): https://blog.samaltman.com/time-to-take-a-stand https://blog.samaltman.com/time-to-take-a-stand These are political, ideological driven posts. Not everyone agrees with the political content; the point being, whether you do or not, this doesn't belong on a site such as SO. And the international agenda I am refering to is in particular United Nations' agenda 2030 which is also rooted in ideology, and is what these companies are working with, directly or indirectly: https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/post2015/transformingourworld https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/post2015/transformingo...

icebraining 7y ago
> the user rules that stated among other things that political posts where not allowed Where were these rules? I've never seen such prohibition.
- pinche2 7y ago
  https://web.archive.org/web/20170608065329/https://stackoverflow.com/help/be-nice https://web.archive.org/web/20170608065329/https://stackover... > "Bigotry of any kind. Language likely to offend or alienate individuals or groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc. will not be tolerated. At all. (Those are just a few examples; when in doubt, just don't.)" "etc." => politics, in this case back-ref "Language likely to offend or alienate individuals or groups" as not everyone agrees with the political message(s) posted, and the use of the platform users signed up on for entirely different purposes.
  - cannonedhamster 7y ago
    That's not politics. That's basically just saying don't be a jerk and say something hurtful regardless of the reason. You seem to be making a leap of judgement that etc means don't post politics at all instead of don't attack someone for their political opinion and then you're mad that on a completely different personal site he says he's against some actions and that companies need to not be okay with this. He gives no actions he's planning on taking just says that they should discuss it. He doesn't demonize someone for how they voted or their political party and even cites people from the opposing party with whom he agrees. Your position comes soon appearing like you're chomping at the bit to make anything you disagree with somehow some evil conspiracy plot where a certain segment of the population you disagree with us out to get you. You're allowed say different things at home than at work. I doubt heavily his opinions at home are solely made into policy at work in a vacuum.
    - GauntletWizard 7y ago
      There are many things that are hurtful that are true.
pjc50 7y ago
There's literally a politics.stackexchange now. Perhaps the real "loss of innocence" was the establishment of religion stackexchanges (possibly Judaism was first?), making politics and clashes inevitable. > international agenda I am referring to is in particular United Nations' agenda 2030 This is conspiracist nonsense, attributing a bottom-up progressive movement to a top-down international organisation that actually isn't progressive at all (and is in fact dangerous to certain activists).
- pinche2 7y ago
  > This is conspiracist nonsense No it's not. Read their official link, it's right there.. If you know how UN works you would know it works indeed bottom-up outside inter-governmental affairs. Their agenda (see link) is actually implemented mostly through local groups and NGOs in cities and communities all over the world. Specific areas like groups pushing "smart cities", environmental groups, banning of cars and so forth, private as well as public, may have different names and arenas, but most use the very same UN framework for their guidelines and goals by the group's leadership. The standardization of the education system is also part of this, with terms such as common core, national standards etc.. The directives, plans, goals, framework and ideology comes from a top organization, primarily UNESCO in this case, but is implemented by youth organizations [0] (but not only) and so forth. UNs top-bottom model is for the inter-governmental structure, specifically based on regionalism [1], which comes in addition. This would be governments that state they will ban fossil-fuel cars by 2025, or reduce carbon emissions by 2030 or whatever it may be related to one of the stated UN goals. It's organized to work complimentary. And UN's origin is absolutely in the progressive field (socialism at the time of its birth). They share the same foundation as communist philosophy, from equality and social justice [2] to over-arching centralized governance [3] (the ultra-left would disagree with the latter, but in all practicality, marxist-leninist if you will). [0]: https://www.un.org/en/events/youthday/ https://www.un.org/en/events/youthday/ [1]: https://www.britannica.com/topic/new-regionalism https://www.britannica.com/topic/new-regionalism [2]: https://www.un.org/en/events/socialjusticeday/ https://www.un.org/en/events/socialjusticeday/ [3]: https://en.unpacampaign.org/ https://en.unpacampaign.org/
  - 7y ago

icebraining 7y ago

> the user rules that stated among other things that political posts where not allowed Where were these rules? I've never seen such prohibition.

pinche2 7y ago
https://web.archive.org/web/20170608065329/https://stackoverflow.com/help/be-nice https://web.archive.org/web/20170608065329/https://stackover... > "Bigotry of any kind. Language likely to offend or alienate individuals or groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc. will not be tolerated. At all. (Those are just a few examples; when in doubt, just don't.)" "etc." => politics, in this case back-ref "Language likely to offend or alienate individuals or groups" as not everyone agrees with the political message(s) posted, and the use of the platform users signed up on for entirely different purposes.
- cannonedhamster 7y ago
  That's not politics. That's basically just saying don't be a jerk and say something hurtful regardless of the reason. You seem to be making a leap of judgement that etc means don't post politics at all instead of don't attack someone for their political opinion and then you're mad that on a completely different personal site he says he's against some actions and that companies need to not be okay with this. He gives no actions he's planning on taking just says that they should discuss it. He doesn't demonize someone for how they voted or their political party and even cites people from the opposing party with whom he agrees. Your position comes soon appearing like you're chomping at the bit to make anything you disagree with somehow some evil conspiracy plot where a certain segment of the population you disagree with us out to get you. You're allowed say different things at home than at work. I doubt heavily his opinions at home are solely made into policy at work in a vacuum.
  - GauntletWizard 7y ago
    There are many things that are hurtful that are true.

pjc50 7y ago

There's literally a politics.stackexchange now. Perhaps the real "loss of innocence" was the establishment of religion stackexchanges (possibly Judaism was first?), making politics and clashes inevitable. > international agenda I am referring to is in particular United Nations' agenda 2030 This is conspiracist nonsense, attributing a bottom-up progressive movement to a top-down international organisation that actually isn't progressive at all (and is in fact dangerous to certain activists).

pinche2 7y ago
> This is conspiracist nonsense No it's not. Read their official link, it's right there.. If you know how UN works you would know it works indeed bottom-up outside inter-governmental affairs. Their agenda (see link) is actually implemented mostly through local groups and NGOs in cities and communities all over the world. Specific areas like groups pushing "smart cities", environmental groups, banning of cars and so forth, private as well as public, may have different names and arenas, but most use the very same UN framework for their guidelines and goals by the group's leadership. The standardization of the education system is also part of this, with terms such as common core, national standards etc.. The directives, plans, goals, framework and ideology comes from a top organization, primarily UNESCO in this case, but is implemented by youth organizations [0] (but not only) and so forth. UNs top-bottom model is for the inter-governmental structure, specifically based on regionalism [1], which comes in addition. This would be governments that state they will ban fossil-fuel cars by 2025, or reduce carbon emissions by 2030 or whatever it may be related to one of the stated UN goals. It's organized to work complimentary. And UN's origin is absolutely in the progressive field (socialism at the time of its birth). They share the same foundation as communist philosophy, from equality and social justice [2] to over-arching centralized governance [3] (the ultra-left would disagree with the latter, but in all practicality, marxist-leninist if you will). [0]: https://www.un.org/en/events/youthday/ https://www.un.org/en/events/youthday/ [1]: https://www.britannica.com/topic/new-regionalism https://www.britannica.com/topic/new-regionalism [2]: https://www.un.org/en/events/socialjusticeday/ https://www.un.org/en/events/socialjusticeday/ [3]: https://en.unpacampaign.org/ https://en.unpacampaign.org/
- 7y ago