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Uh, all of it?

by DATACOMMANDER 7y ago

Uh, all of it?

fwip 7y ago
That's not an especially helpful answer.
- DATACOMMANDER 7y ago
  The ideology is not especially deserving of anything but ridicule, but I went through the slides and excerpted some particularly goofy stuff. "Marginalized person: Any woman who wants to work for pay for an employer" "Oppression: The self-reinforcing system of stories, TV, news coverage, police, and legal system stereotyping Black people as criminals, that benefits non-Black people and harms Black people" What TV shows has the author been watching? For my entire life, at least 95% of the depictions of black people that I've seen on television have been positive, sometimes to the point of being pandering. (For example, if a show has a black character and a white character, and one has to do something wrong to advance the plot, it will be the white character, because that won't cause outrage, while the reverse will.) "You are eating lunch in the employee kitchen when a group sits down near you. One person comments loudly “If I ate that, I’d be as big as a house!” A higher-weight coworker is sitting nearby and can clearly overhear." It's not clear who's talking to whom here. If it's someone commenting on the lunch of a coworker with whom they're not sitting, well, I've never seen behavior like that in any workplace, nor have I heard of anything like that happening. If it's someone commenting on one of their lunch-mates' lunches, then it's none of the "higher"-weight coworker's business. "Higher weight people face workplace discrimination, particularly women, regardless of ability to do the job Body size is falsely equated with virtue: self-control, hard worker, in good health" Body size is correctly associated with self-control, energy, and good health. The proportion of overweight people who couldn't reach a normal weight if they ate sensibly and exercised is tiny. The "healthy at any weight" meme is absurd. "Black people face a much a higher bar than white people during hiring (and in general), and white people often get a pass or exceptions to the process" Bullshit. "A co-worker shares an article on your work Slack claiming that white men are biologically more suited to STEM careers, saying "I don't agree with all of it, but it has some good points." Another co-worker replies, saying that they disagree with the article but we have to be tolerant of co-workers with different political views because diversity of thought is important too." Men are biologically more suited to STEM careers, on average. You have to be willfully blind not to see that this is true. Why does this make people so angry? ""Office housework" is necessary but unrewarded work (taking notes, organizing parties, tidying, etc.) People of color and women of all races are expected to do more of this work and punished for not doing it" Bullshit. "On a company mailing list, someone writes “How would you explain this [technical thing] to your grandmother?”" Old women (and, to a lesser extent, old men) are much more likely to have trouble with technology than are young men (and, to a lesser extent, young women). Again, why does this make people so angry? Intersectionalism is just borderline personality disorder in ideological form.
  - fwip 7y ago
    Half the stuff you called "bullshit" on have been scientifically tested (and proved) in reputable journals. You're projecting emotion on your perceived opponents ("why does this make people so angry") because your dismissal of their arguments depends on it. If you instead took this discussion seriously, you'd lose the ability to be sure you were right. I don't expect you to have a revelation overnight, but sit down and think sometime about why this topic is so scary for you.
    - DATACOMMANDER 7y ago
      "Half the stuff you called "bullshit" on have been scientifically tested (and proved) in reputable journals." I called two claims bullshit, so I presume you believe that one of them has been proven. Which one? Citation? I'm not projecting anything onto anyone. I--like many other reasonable people--am bewildered by the intersectional left's refusal to accept reality. They are in fact the ones who become enraged when you point out obvious truths, such as that men and women are different. The topic doesn't scare me, but if the discourse in the West continues down its current path, intersectionalism could become a dangerous thing. The core of the ideology is resentment, and history has shown that these resentment-based ideologies often have horrific results. (See, e.g., the the Rwandan genocide, the Holocaust, the Russian Revolution, etc.)
      - fwip 7y ago
        I spent all of five minutes on google scholar, and here's the results: Anti-black media bias. https://stars.library.ucf.edu/etd/5420/ https://stars.library.ucf.edu/etd/5420/ Racial hiring bias: https://www.pnas.org/content/114/41/10870.short https://www.pnas.org/content/114/41/10870.short Men aren't somehow biologically more in tune with computers: https://peerj.com/preprints/1733.pdf https://peerj.com/preprints/1733.pdf "Office housework": https://worklifelaw.org/publication/climate-control-gender-racial-bias-engineering/ https://worklifelaw.org/publication/climate-control-gender-r... So I guess it wasn't that half your claims were scientifically wrong, sorry. It was all of them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
        7y ago

Uh, all of it?

fwip 7y ago

That's not an especially helpful answer.

DATACOMMANDER 7y ago
The ideology is not especially deserving of anything but ridicule, but I went through the slides and excerpted some particularly goofy stuff. "Marginalized person: Any woman who wants to work for pay for an employer" "Oppression: The self-reinforcing system of stories, TV, news coverage, police, and legal system stereotyping Black people as criminals, that benefits non-Black people and harms Black people" What TV shows has the author been watching? For my entire life, at least 95% of the depictions of black people that I've seen on television have been positive, sometimes to the point of being pandering. (For example, if a show has a black character and a white character, and one has to do something wrong to advance the plot, it will be the white character, because that won't cause outrage, while the reverse will.) "You are eating lunch in the employee kitchen when a group sits down near you. One person comments loudly “If I ate that, I’d be as big as a house!” A higher-weight coworker is sitting nearby and can clearly overhear." It's not clear who's talking to whom here. If it's someone commenting on the lunch of a coworker with whom they're not sitting, well, I've never seen behavior like that in any workplace, nor have I heard of anything like that happening. If it's someone commenting on one of their lunch-mates' lunches, then it's none of the "higher"-weight coworker's business. "Higher weight people face workplace discrimination, particularly women, regardless of ability to do the job Body size is falsely equated with virtue: self-control, hard worker, in good health" Body size is correctly associated with self-control, energy, and good health. The proportion of overweight people who couldn't reach a normal weight if they ate sensibly and exercised is tiny. The "healthy at any weight" meme is absurd. "Black people face a much a higher bar than white people during hiring (and in general), and white people often get a pass or exceptions to the process" Bullshit. "A co-worker shares an article on your work Slack claiming that white men are biologically more suited to STEM careers, saying "I don't agree with all of it, but it has some good points." Another co-worker replies, saying that they disagree with the article but we have to be tolerant of co-workers with different political views because diversity of thought is important too." Men are biologically more suited to STEM careers, on average. You have to be willfully blind not to see that this is true. Why does this make people so angry? ""Office housework" is necessary but unrewarded work (taking notes, organizing parties, tidying, etc.) People of color and women of all races are expected to do more of this work and punished for not doing it" Bullshit. "On a company mailing list, someone writes “How would you explain this [technical thing] to your grandmother?”" Old women (and, to a lesser extent, old men) are much more likely to have trouble with technology than are young men (and, to a lesser extent, young women). Again, why does this make people so angry? Intersectionalism is just borderline personality disorder in ideological form.
- fwip 7y ago
  Half the stuff you called "bullshit" on have been scientifically tested (and proved) in reputable journals. You're projecting emotion on your perceived opponents ("why does this make people so angry") because your dismissal of their arguments depends on it. If you instead took this discussion seriously, you'd lose the ability to be sure you were right. I don't expect you to have a revelation overnight, but sit down and think sometime about why this topic is so scary for you.
  - DATACOMMANDER 7y ago
    "Half the stuff you called "bullshit" on have been scientifically tested (and proved) in reputable journals." I called two claims bullshit, so I presume you believe that one of them has been proven. Which one? Citation? I'm not projecting anything onto anyone. I--like many other reasonable people--am bewildered by the intersectional left's refusal to accept reality. They are in fact the ones who become enraged when you point out obvious truths, such as that men and women are different. The topic doesn't scare me, but if the discourse in the West continues down its current path, intersectionalism could become a dangerous thing. The core of the ideology is resentment, and history has shown that these resentment-based ideologies often have horrific results. (See, e.g., the the Rwandan genocide, the Holocaust, the Russian Revolution, etc.)
    - fwip 7y ago
      I spent all of five minutes on google scholar, and here's the results: Anti-black media bias. https://stars.library.ucf.edu/etd/5420/ https://stars.library.ucf.edu/etd/5420/ Racial hiring bias: https://www.pnas.org/content/114/41/10870.short https://www.pnas.org/content/114/41/10870.short Men aren't somehow biologically more in tune with computers: https://peerj.com/preprints/1733.pdf https://peerj.com/preprints/1733.pdf "Office housework": https://worklifelaw.org/publication/climate-control-gender-racial-bias-engineering/ https://worklifelaw.org/publication/climate-control-gender-r... So I guess it wasn't that half your claims were scientifically wrong, sorry. It was all of them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
      - 7y ago