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I have to disagree with the Scotland example. Scotland's movement can't be called a separatist movement (independence is a better term, but still not great). S

I have to disagree with the Scotland example. Scotland's movement can't be called a separatist movement (independence is a better term, but still not great). Scotland is a distinct country within the United Kingdom. It would be more of a withdrawal movement (similar to the UK withdrawing from the EU). A major political issue in Scotland at the moment (especially in Edinburgh) is Brexit. The majority of Scottish residents voted to remain in the EU, which reignited a movement to leave the UK. I would call this a "real present day issue" and not just "historical grievance and ego".

sb057 7y ago
>The majority of Scottish residents voted to remain in the EU, which sparked a movement to leave the UK. Is that why there was an independence referendum the year before the Brexit vote?
enriquto 7y ago
Are you really arguing that Scotland is a "truer" country somehow than Catalonia?
- el_dev_hell 7y ago
  No, I'm not arguing that Scotland is a "truer" country than Catalonia. The comment I replied to claimed that most modern separatist/independence movements are caused by historical grievance and ego and not present day issues. I made two points: 1. Scotland leaving the UK is not comparable to Catalonia leaving Spain. Scotland is a country within the UK. What I mean by country here is that the UK considers Scotland a distinct country. I made the comparison to the UK being a member of the EU because it's a closer example. Spain does not consider Catalonia a country (my opinion doesn't change that fact). 2. Scotland has a "present day issue" relating to the Brexit vote (not to claim there's no historical grievance and ego at play, but it can't be chalked up as just that).
  - enriquto 7y ago
    so if the UK stopped "considering" Scotland as a country, would the scottish independence become suddenly illegitimate? Please, give me Boris' number, I have the definitive solution to the scottish problem!
  - thinkingemote 7y ago
    Cornish independence movements would be a closer example I think as the UK has never considered Cornwall a separate country

sb057 7y ago

>The majority of Scottish residents voted to remain in the EU, which sparked a movement to leave the UK. Is that why there was an independence referendum the year before the Brexit vote?

enriquto 7y ago

Are you really arguing that Scotland is a "truer" country somehow than Catalonia?

el_dev_hell 7y ago
No, I'm not arguing that Scotland is a "truer" country than Catalonia. The comment I replied to claimed that most modern separatist/independence movements are caused by historical grievance and ego and not present day issues. I made two points: 1. Scotland leaving the UK is not comparable to Catalonia leaving Spain. Scotland is a country within the UK. What I mean by country here is that the UK considers Scotland a distinct country. I made the comparison to the UK being a member of the EU because it's a closer example. Spain does not consider Catalonia a country (my opinion doesn't change that fact). 2. Scotland has a "present day issue" relating to the Brexit vote (not to claim there's no historical grievance and ego at play, but it can't be chalked up as just that).
- enriquto 7y ago
  so if the UK stopped "considering" Scotland as a country, would the scottish independence become suddenly illegitimate? Please, give me Boris' number, I have the definitive solution to the scottish problem!
- thinkingemote 7y ago
  Cornish independence movements would be a closer example I think as the UK has never considered Cornwall a separate country