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It is not true, FF on Android is pretty great. I use it a lot every day. It actually syncs tabs and passwords better than Chrome (and without leaking them to Go

It is not true, FF on Android is pretty great. I use it a lot every day. It actually syncs tabs and passwords better than Chrome (and without leaking them to Google without encryption)

zamadatix 7y ago
> I use it a lot every day. It actually syncs tabs and passwords better than Chrome (and without leaking them to Google without encryption) Has nothing to do with performance, but I agree - to be clear I use FF but that doesn't mean I have to justify/defend "it's slow" with other reasons I choose to use it. > It is not true, FF on Android is pretty great. https://cnet3.cbsistatic.com/img/dzNTI91dH4nch-WEKzTkp_WWza8=/2019/02/27/ac5e5ec6-6e64-40be-9d9d-af09063db4b0/brave-battery-mobile-usage.jpg https://cnet3.cbsistatic.com/img/dzNTI91dH4nch-WEKzTkp_WWza8... https://greenspector.com/assets/img/articles/2018-11-19-navigateurs/ClassementAutonomie.png https://greenspector.com/assets/img/articles/2018-11-19-navi... (Firefox Focus was on still on the WebKit base when that benchmark was done, not their own engine) Even posts about how great it is have to contain qualifiers https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/97vqb2/firefox_for_android_is_actually_much_better_than/ https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/97vqb2/firefox_for... "I know a lot of people complain about Firefox on Android... "es, the scrolling isn't as good as Chrome". https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/c2qovb/how_stable_and_generally_better_is_the_firefox/ https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/c2qovb/how_stable_... top comment " but it can have somewhat poor performance... But yeah, Android Firefox is actually being rewritten for that reason. " and only other comment "Yes you can sync. Performance is still abysmal. " https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/bxr3yc/why_is_android_firefox_so_slow/ https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/bxr3yc/why_is_andr... "I've used Firefox, Firefox Beta, Firefox Focus, and Firefox Nightly. They're all absolutely glacial browsers on Android." top comment is basically what I said "Firefox Preview or fenix is a promising browser . It has modern superfast Ui . Better page loading time and benchmark scores . It is currently under development (that's why it's called preview ) ." . I could go on, these aren't cherry picked they are just going straight through searches and clicking top results. These aren't rare opinions, they score decently high on forums dedicated to discussing FF. The comments on the rewrite are the complete opposite, praising performance and fixing laggy scroll, but it's not done yet. This is a constant source of discussion. If the current version of FF on Android didn't have issues they wouldn't be rewriting it.
- Andrew_nenakhov 7y ago
  Firefox does not need to do everything better than Chrome to be great. It is a false presumption. It just has to do the job well and browsing easy, which it does. After overcoming initial unfamiliarity, I find it better suited for my regular workflow. And, of course, FF never tried to destroy my eyes like Chrome did: one day the wiseguys in Google decided that everything should be extreme WHITE [1]. First, when they had enabled it, you could reduce whiteness by turning on a hidden flag in preferences, but in the very next update, they removed said flag completely. I read from my phone very often in the dark environment, and Chrome usage became excruciating even on the minimum screen brightness. So removing that option was a final straw for me, and I switched to FF on both mobile and desktop. And honestly, never looked back, learning to appreciate what I have with FF. I never noticed anything laggy about scrolls, and power usage on Android is about the same as Chrome (likely less, due to everything being NOT SO FREAKING WHITE!). [1] https://support.google.com/chrome/forum/AAAAP1KN0B0rbZd_cEpWPs/?hl=en https://support.google.com/chrome/forum/AAAAP1KN0B0rbZd_cEpW...
  - zamadatix 7y ago
    > Firefox does not need to do everything better than Chrome to be great. Nope, but it doesn't need to be protected from criticism for coming dead last either. Again, workflow and theming are completely irrelevant to anything I mentioned. "hot pile of garbage __in terms of performance, power usage, and scrolling__." (emphasis added). You're reading "someone said something bad about FF, I've got to say how it's better than Chrome!" instead of what was said. I then provided hard data to validate it's not just my anecdotal experience. > one day the wiseguys in Google decided that everything should be extreme WHITE [1]. Just to note they have since added native dark mode and the native ability to automatically convert sites you browse to into a dark theme. I'm hoping FF adds the latter natively but in the meantime it's doable via extensions so it's not as big a deal as finishing the Firefox Preview rewrite for Android.
    - Andrew_nenakhov 7y ago
      > "hot pile of garbage __in terms of performance, power usage, and scrolling__." Thing is, it is not. On Chrome I regularly had unresponsive pages that once cleared led to all tabs being closed, and it happened more often when I had more tabs open, the critical number is 10-12. Once you are over that limit, expect "App stopped responding" modal. On Firefox, I currently have 36 open tabs, and it works without any slowdowns. In Chrome, if start typing something in a webpage, open another page to do some fact-checking, go back to the first page, and see all my typed text gone. On Firefox, I do this all the time, open different apps, and all my tabs and their contents are safe (with the exception of private tabs, sadly). Power usage is about the same, scrolling is also fast enough for me (I am aware it does render fonts in lo-res while scrolling, but I only learned about this in an online discussion about 'horrible font rendering', never noticing it myself in more than 6 months of usage at the time. So no, I don't agree with your assessment of Firefox as a "hot pile of garbage". I think it is a great mobile browser, and I think it will get even better. YMMV, of course, but I'm very happy with Firefox and have no plans of going back.

It is not true, FF on Android is pretty great. I use it a lot every day. It actually syncs tabs and passwords better than Chrome (and without leaking them to Google without encryption)

zamadatix 7y ago

> I use it a lot every day. It actually syncs tabs and passwords better than Chrome (and without leaking them to Google without encryption) Has nothing to do with performance, but I agree - to be clear I use FF but that doesn't mean I have to justify/defend "it's slow" with other reasons I choose to use it. > It is not true, FF on Android is pretty great. https://cnet3.cbsistatic.com/img/dzNTI91dH4nch-WEKzTkp_WWza8=/2019/02/27/ac5e5ec6-6e64-40be-9d9d-af09063db4b0/brave-battery-mobile-usage.jpg https://cnet3.cbsistatic.com/img/dzNTI91dH4nch-WEKzTkp_WWza8... https://greenspector.com/assets/img/articles/2018-11-19-navigateurs/ClassementAutonomie.png https://greenspector.com/assets/img/articles/2018-11-19-navi... (Firefox Focus was on still on the WebKit base when that benchmark was done, not their own engine) Even posts about how great it is have to contain qualifiers https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/97vqb2/firefox_for_android_is_actually_much_better_than/ https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/97vqb2/firefox_for... "I know a lot of people complain about Firefox on Android... "es, the scrolling isn't as good as Chrome". https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/c2qovb/how_stable_and_generally_better_is_the_firefox/ https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/c2qovb/how_stable_... top comment " but it can have somewhat poor performance... But yeah, Android Firefox is actually being rewritten for that reason. " and only other comment "Yes you can sync. Performance is still abysmal. " https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/bxr3yc/why_is_android_firefox_so_slow/ https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/bxr3yc/why_is_andr... "I've used Firefox, Firefox Beta, Firefox Focus, and Firefox Nightly. They're all absolutely glacial browsers on Android." top comment is basically what I said "Firefox Preview or fenix is a promising browser . It has modern superfast Ui . Better page loading time and benchmark scores . It is currently under development (that's why it's called preview ) ." . I could go on, these aren't cherry picked they are just going straight through searches and clicking top results. These aren't rare opinions, they score decently high on forums dedicated to discussing FF. The comments on the rewrite are the complete opposite, praising performance and fixing laggy scroll, but it's not done yet. This is a constant source of discussion. If the current version of FF on Android didn't have issues they wouldn't be rewriting it.

Andrew_nenakhov 7y ago
Firefox does not need to do everything better than Chrome to be great. It is a false presumption. It just has to do the job well and browsing easy, which it does. After overcoming initial unfamiliarity, I find it better suited for my regular workflow. And, of course, FF never tried to destroy my eyes like Chrome did: one day the wiseguys in Google decided that everything should be extreme WHITE [1]. First, when they had enabled it, you could reduce whiteness by turning on a hidden flag in preferences, but in the very next update, they removed said flag completely. I read from my phone very often in the dark environment, and Chrome usage became excruciating even on the minimum screen brightness. So removing that option was a final straw for me, and I switched to FF on both mobile and desktop. And honestly, never looked back, learning to appreciate what I have with FF. I never noticed anything laggy about scrolls, and power usage on Android is about the same as Chrome (likely less, due to everything being NOT SO FREAKING WHITE!). [1] https://support.google.com/chrome/forum/AAAAP1KN0B0rbZd_cEpWPs/?hl=en https://support.google.com/chrome/forum/AAAAP1KN0B0rbZd_cEpW...
- zamadatix 7y ago
  > Firefox does not need to do everything better than Chrome to be great. Nope, but it doesn't need to be protected from criticism for coming dead last either. Again, workflow and theming are completely irrelevant to anything I mentioned. "hot pile of garbage __in terms of performance, power usage, and scrolling__." (emphasis added). You're reading "someone said something bad about FF, I've got to say how it's better than Chrome!" instead of what was said. I then provided hard data to validate it's not just my anecdotal experience. > one day the wiseguys in Google decided that everything should be extreme WHITE [1]. Just to note they have since added native dark mode and the native ability to automatically convert sites you browse to into a dark theme. I'm hoping FF adds the latter natively but in the meantime it's doable via extensions so it's not as big a deal as finishing the Firefox Preview rewrite for Android.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 7y ago
    > "hot pile of garbage __in terms of performance, power usage, and scrolling__." Thing is, it is not. On Chrome I regularly had unresponsive pages that once cleared led to all tabs being closed, and it happened more often when I had more tabs open, the critical number is 10-12. Once you are over that limit, expect "App stopped responding" modal. On Firefox, I currently have 36 open tabs, and it works without any slowdowns. In Chrome, if start typing something in a webpage, open another page to do some fact-checking, go back to the first page, and see all my typed text gone. On Firefox, I do this all the time, open different apps, and all my tabs and their contents are safe (with the exception of private tabs, sadly). Power usage is about the same, scrolling is also fast enough for me (I am aware it does render fonts in lo-res while scrolling, but I only learned about this in an online discussion about 'horrible font rendering', never noticing it myself in more than 6 months of usage at the time. So no, I don't agree with your assessment of Firefox as a "hot pile of garbage". I think it is a great mobile browser, and I think it will get even better. YMMV, of course, but I'm very happy with Firefox and have no plans of going back.