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That's an entirely different class of thing though, possibly civil vs. criminal, I believe. If I'm signing a contract with you, and you tell me "no one is going

That's an entirely different class of thing though, possibly civil vs. criminal, I believe. If I'm signing a contract with you, and you tell me "no one is going to ever offer you a deal like this," even though you fully know many people would offer me a better deal, that's not illegal. This is more akin to the chief of police making an announcement that a building is safe to enter, knowing there is a gunmen ready to shoot people as they enter. I don't know the exact definitions here, IANAL, but I'm pretty sure my scenario would be legally actionable. Similarly, freedom of speech is limited at least in one way by "imminent lawless action." I'm not sure about the issue you mention regarding CBP, but I believe there are certain differences between how the law treats citizens and non-citizens. The Exclusionary Rule, disallowing evidence illegally obtained, doesn't apply to civil matters, including immigration, apparently (https://www.halt.org/things-cops-do-that-are-illegal-what-a-police-officer-cant-do/ https://www.halt.org/things-cops-do-that-are-illegal-what-a-...). Law enforcement can omit or lie about your Miranda rights, but they can't use evidence obtained from what you say without reading your rights. So if a cop saw you shoot someone, and you're still holding the gun, they don't really need to read you your rights; they don't really need anything from you at that point.

curryst 7y ago
> If I'm signing a contract with you, and you tell me "no one is going to ever offer you a deal like this," even though you fully know many people would offer me a better deal, that's not illegal. Is it not illegal to get someone to sign a contract based on a known falsehood? I.e. if I offer to sell you my house and tell you that it has no issues, but it turns out termites have eaten half of it and I knew that, is the contract not invalid? I think your solution only works because it's common sense that that is not a statement of fact.

curryst 7y ago

> If I'm signing a contract with you, and you tell me "no one is going to ever offer you a deal like this," even though you fully know many people would offer me a better deal, that's not illegal. Is it not illegal to get someone to sign a contract based on a known falsehood? I.e. if I offer to sell you my house and tell you that it has no issues, but it turns out termites have eaten half of it and I knew that, is the contract not invalid? I think your solution only works because it's common sense that that is not a statement of fact.