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What you’re saying is basically “things are horrible so why don’t you just bend over and let somebody fuck you in this other aspect as well”. Yes, that’s where

What you’re saying is basically “things are horrible so why don’t you just bend over and let somebody fuck you in this other aspect as well”. Yes, that’s where I draw the line today. Governments used to challenge our right to free speech and even right to live free - we don’t accept that anymore. In my opinion it’s time to untangle governments and money. You’re free to disagree of course and you’re free to entrust all sorts of strangers to make all sorts of decisions in your life, just don’t expect others to do the same.

arcticbull 7y ago
> You’re free to disagree of course and you’re free to entrust all sorts of strangers to make all sorts of decisions in your life, just don’t expect others to do the same. You already do though. You're just entrusting a different set of un-elected un-accountable strangers with no economics degrees with your monetary policy -- the Bitcoin Core team. And the PRC where over 50% of the hash power is located. They could change the number of Bitcoin on issue, the rate, the block reward rate, anything, with zero recourse on your part. Your government is accountable to you, the core team, to themselves. If you tell me they wont then you're trusting them not to unless you can point to a math equation preventing them, I guess. You're describing a libertarian pipedream that can't exist.
- keymone 7y ago
  > You're just entrusting a different set of un-elected un-accountable strangers with no economics degrees with your monetary policy -- the Bitcoin Core team no i don't. they just happen to maintain the reference implementation. > And the PRC where over 50% of the hash power is located no trust involved here either. > They could change the number of Bitcoin on issue, the rate, the block reward rate, anything, with zero recourse on your part. no they can't and the fact that you think this means you have zero understanding of how bitcoin works. > If you tell me they wont i'm telling you they can't. bitcoin is defined by consensus rules and releasing a binary that breaks those rules or mining blocks that break those rules doesn't change bitcoin.
  - arcticbull 7y ago
    It’s the politics. If the core team decided to change the parameters of bitcoin at worst everyone would fall in line and at best it’d fork and you’d lose a whole lot of value.
    - keymone 7y ago
      It’d be a fork either way and that’s the point. Still no trust involved.
      - arcticbull 7y ago
        Then "faith" that people are going to continue to believe in the Bitcoin that you believe in. I mean it’s not scarce anyone can clone and fire up their own bitcoin.
        keymone 7y ago
        Please do, because until you actually try you will remain very confused about what is scarcity in context of bitcoin.

arcticbull 7y ago

> You’re free to disagree of course and you’re free to entrust all sorts of strangers to make all sorts of decisions in your life, just don’t expect others to do the same. You already do though. You're just entrusting a different set of un-elected un-accountable strangers with no economics degrees with your monetary policy -- the Bitcoin Core team. And the PRC where over 50% of the hash power is located. They could change the number of Bitcoin on issue, the rate, the block reward rate, anything, with zero recourse on your part. Your government is accountable to you, the core team, to themselves. If you tell me they wont then you're trusting them not to unless you can point to a math equation preventing them, I guess. You're describing a libertarian pipedream that can't exist.

keymone 7y ago
> You're just entrusting a different set of un-elected un-accountable strangers with no economics degrees with your monetary policy -- the Bitcoin Core team no i don't. they just happen to maintain the reference implementation. > And the PRC where over 50% of the hash power is located no trust involved here either. > They could change the number of Bitcoin on issue, the rate, the block reward rate, anything, with zero recourse on your part. no they can't and the fact that you think this means you have zero understanding of how bitcoin works. > If you tell me they wont i'm telling you they can't. bitcoin is defined by consensus rules and releasing a binary that breaks those rules or mining blocks that break those rules doesn't change bitcoin.
- arcticbull 7y ago
  It’s the politics. If the core team decided to change the parameters of bitcoin at worst everyone would fall in line and at best it’d fork and you’d lose a whole lot of value.
  - keymone 7y ago
    It’d be a fork either way and that’s the point. Still no trust involved.
    - arcticbull 7y ago
      Then "faith" that people are going to continue to believe in the Bitcoin that you believe in. I mean it’s not scarce anyone can clone and fire up their own bitcoin.
      - keymone 7y ago
        Please do, because until you actually try you will remain very confused about what is scarcity in context of bitcoin.