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Facebook's Community Standards are the antithesis of free expression.

by rubbingalcohol 7y ago

bitwize 7y ago
It's 2019 and "free speech" is now widely considered a dogwhistle word for "white supremacy".
- dmix 7y ago
  I was reading up on that Extinction Rebellion group (the ones disrupting traffic and blocking commuters from using public transit) and their book blamed 'white supremacy' as one of the causes of climate change as well.
  - jlawson 7y ago
    In the far-left worldview, all society-scale problems can be traced to the moral turpitude of straight white men.
    - damnyou 7y ago
      Not all of them. but a big chunk, yes. It's not specific to straight white men — if it were, say, straight Japanese men ruling the world then the blame would be laid on them. Ultimately, the left view is largely correct, which is why I'm on the left.
    - minikites 7y ago
      They're overwhelmingly represented in positions of power so yes, it is them causing the problems, by definition.
      - merpnderp 7y ago
        If you believe that, you’re believing in straight up racism.
        minikites 7y ago
        https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/03/08/women-leaders-around-the-world/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/03/08/women-leade... https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/21/2018s-fortune-500-companies-have-just-24-female-ceos.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/21/2018s-fortune-500-companies-... https://fortune.com/2017/06/09/white-men-senior-executives-fortune-500-companies-diversity-data/ https://fortune.com/2017/06/09/white-men-senior-executives-f...
      - dmix 7y ago
        Just to he clear, you think that is a central cause of most the problems in society? I get the whole equity of opportunities argument, there's some legitimate grievances there. Where you people lose me is when it gets into vindictive and punitive territory by working against anyone successful for some vague and needlessly destructive form of 'progress.' I'd much rather the world lifts themselves up together instead of punishing and destroying our way to equity of outcomes, which usually means everyone being worse-off. Meanwhile no one gives a shit about the 93% male/7% female workplace death rates in these conversations. Neither of which sounds very pro-worker to me.
        minikites 7y ago
        I'm not saying "the problems exist because they are white", I'm saying "they are in power, they have the responsibility to address these problems, they are not addressing these problems, therefore it is directly their fault these problems still exist".
- smt88 7y ago
  This is both untrue and likely to start a flame war. You're likely thinking of the debate over reddit, YouTube, and Twitter policy changes, where the people banned were largely white supremacists. Of course in those specific debates, "free speech" was being conflated with "the right to say racist stuff on private companies' networks".
  - dmix 7y ago
    Of course it starts with the actual bigots and racists. It's how they forever expand the meanings of various terms to "anyone I don't agree with" is when it starts getting ridiculous and dangerous. It's a predictable outcome with plenty of evidence supporting it.
    - rubbingalcohol 7y ago
      Kind of like how the existence of terrorists and pedophiles justifies putting backdoors in all encryption. It ends at a place where all your rights get eroded away, and doesn't even end up protecting anyone anyway.
      - dmix 7y ago
        The 'terrorist' label is a great example of how the meaning of terms get conveniently expanded and broadened for political ends.
    - smt88 7y ago
      However ridiculous or dangerous their rules are, they're the right of private corporations in the US. The First Amendment protects public speech from govt censorship. It does not require private entities to broadcast everyone's speech equally.
      - dmix 7y ago
        There's always one person who makes this comment like it's an original thought and useful contribution. I'm talking about culture, not law. The US and the west in general has always had a strong free speech culture. It'd be ridiculous to only rely on a law limiting government as the thing that defines what is and is not okay. There's a reason this is being called our generation's 'culture wars'.
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Facebook's Community Standards are the antithesis of free expression.

bitwize 7y ago

It's 2019 and "free speech" is now widely considered a dogwhistle word for "white supremacy".

dmix 7y ago
I was reading up on that Extinction Rebellion group (the ones disrupting traffic and blocking commuters from using public transit) and their book blamed 'white supremacy' as one of the causes of climate change as well.
- jlawson 7y ago
  In the far-left worldview, all society-scale problems can be traced to the moral turpitude of straight white men.
  - damnyou 7y ago
    Not all of them. but a big chunk, yes. It's not specific to straight white men — if it were, say, straight Japanese men ruling the world then the blame would be laid on them. Ultimately, the left view is largely correct, which is why I'm on the left.
  - minikites 7y ago
    They're overwhelmingly represented in positions of power so yes, it is them causing the problems, by definition.
    - merpnderp 7y ago
      If you believe that, you’re believing in straight up racism.
      - minikites 7y ago
        https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/03/08/women-leaders-around-the-world/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/03/08/women-leade... https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/21/2018s-fortune-500-companies-have-just-24-female-ceos.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/21/2018s-fortune-500-companies-... https://fortune.com/2017/06/09/white-men-senior-executives-fortune-500-companies-diversity-data/ https://fortune.com/2017/06/09/white-men-senior-executives-f...
    - dmix 7y ago
      Just to he clear, you think that is a central cause of most the problems in society? I get the whole equity of opportunities argument, there's some legitimate grievances there. Where you people lose me is when it gets into vindictive and punitive territory by working against anyone successful for some vague and needlessly destructive form of 'progress.' I'd much rather the world lifts themselves up together instead of punishing and destroying our way to equity of outcomes, which usually means everyone being worse-off. Meanwhile no one gives a shit about the 93% male/7% female workplace death rates in these conversations. Neither of which sounds very pro-worker to me.
      - minikites 7y ago
        I'm not saying "the problems exist because they are white", I'm saying "they are in power, they have the responsibility to address these problems, they are not addressing these problems, therefore it is directly their fault these problems still exist".
smt88 7y ago
This is both untrue and likely to start a flame war. You're likely thinking of the debate over reddit, YouTube, and Twitter policy changes, where the people banned were largely white supremacists. Of course in those specific debates, "free speech" was being conflated with "the right to say racist stuff on private companies' networks".
- dmix 7y ago
  Of course it starts with the actual bigots and racists. It's how they forever expand the meanings of various terms to "anyone I don't agree with" is when it starts getting ridiculous and dangerous. It's a predictable outcome with plenty of evidence supporting it.
  - rubbingalcohol 7y ago
    Kind of like how the existence of terrorists and pedophiles justifies putting backdoors in all encryption. It ends at a place where all your rights get eroded away, and doesn't even end up protecting anyone anyway.
    - dmix 7y ago
      The 'terrorist' label is a great example of how the meaning of terms get conveniently expanded and broadened for political ends.
  - smt88 7y ago
    However ridiculous or dangerous their rules are, they're the right of private corporations in the US. The First Amendment protects public speech from govt censorship. It does not require private entities to broadcast everyone's speech equally.
    - dmix 7y ago
      There's always one person who makes this comment like it's an original thought and useful contribution. I'm talking about culture, not law. The US and the west in general has always had a strong free speech culture. It'd be ridiculous to only rely on a law limiting government as the thing that defines what is and is not okay. There's a reason this is being called our generation's 'culture wars'.
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