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One moment of weakness and you see all the people that ever hated you out for your blood with vengeance. Humanity won't ever progress if we stick with this ugly

by bitL 7y ago

One moment of weakness and you see all the people that ever hated you out for your blood with vengeance. Humanity won't ever progress if we stick with this ugly algorithm...

Santosh83 7y ago
Particularly odious considering these very same people did not have the guts to publish their criticism when he was seen as unimpeachable. It would've had more seeming validity then, and now just seems like an attempt to flog the dead horse, even if some genuine points are present.
- PhasmaFelis 7y ago
  I've talked about how out-of-touch Stallman seems to be for years, and I'm not the only one.
  - Santosh83 7y ago
    Out of touch in certain areas (as you point out in your other comment) doesn't mean you cease to matter or be relevant. Much of what he speaks about is still very much relevant the way I see it: non-Free software, lack of control over your device, the largely non-free javascript, the disadvantages of locked down platforms like Facebook, Kindle etc. I don't see how "Stallman no longer matters" holds up. At the same time I'm not saying he has to head FSF or be the only voice. Of course not. It would be good to see a new face take over if only because Stallman has fought the fight for decades and it is unfair to keep expecting him to lead from the front till he drops dead.
    - shadowgovt 7y ago
      Nobody's stopping him from speaking. The FSF, MIT, and portions of the GNU maintainer community have simply aligned on the meme "He doesn't speak for us." As they may.
armitron 7y ago
Couldn't have said it better. I hope Stallman survives this coup because there is potential here for the GNU project to be destroyed by the actions of a few (I'd like to say misguided but I fear that some of them have been planning this for a long time). And unlike what they say they want to push towards, there is value in GNU not being a "democracy". Committees can easily get corrupted - we've seen this repeatedly in the open source world - and are not a good substitute for a single person with a strong moral code. A "democracy" would never have given raise to the GNU project to start with. Here is Andy Wingo beating the war drums [1] and starting a witch hunt [2] against some poor guy: " "He starts his talk by stating his hope that he won't be seen as "offensive or part of rape culture or something" " "His microphone wasn't on, so once he gets it on he repeats the joke. I stomp out, slam the door, and tweet a few angry things" To Andy Wingo, this was a "rape culture joke". Notice his snap judgement on the matter, there is no room for additional interpretation here, no room for thinking. His mind is already made up. He "stomps out and slams the door". We have reached the point where people with hair-thin triggers are ready to jump on someone and brand him with the vilest form of - career destroying - criticism if they deem what he says offensive. I'm disgusted by this behavior and hope that the GNU project finds a way to distance themselves from this sort of idiotic ideology. [1] https://wingolog.org/archives/2014/08/18/on-gnu-and-on-hackers https://wingolog.org/archives/2014/08/18/on-gnu-and-on-hacke... [2] https://twitter.com/andywingo/status/500637145342935040 https://twitter.com/andywingo/status/500637145342935040

by bitL 7y ago

One moment of weakness and you see all the people that ever hated you out for your blood with vengeance. Humanity won't ever progress if we stick with this ugly algorithm...

Santosh83 7y ago

Particularly odious considering these very same people did not have the guts to publish their criticism when he was seen as unimpeachable. It would've had more seeming validity then, and now just seems like an attempt to flog the dead horse, even if some genuine points are present.

PhasmaFelis 7y ago
I've talked about how out-of-touch Stallman seems to be for years, and I'm not the only one.
- Santosh83 7y ago
  Out of touch in certain areas (as you point out in your other comment) doesn't mean you cease to matter or be relevant. Much of what he speaks about is still very much relevant the way I see it: non-Free software, lack of control over your device, the largely non-free javascript, the disadvantages of locked down platforms like Facebook, Kindle etc. I don't see how "Stallman no longer matters" holds up. At the same time I'm not saying he has to head FSF or be the only voice. Of course not. It would be good to see a new face take over if only because Stallman has fought the fight for decades and it is unfair to keep expecting him to lead from the front till he drops dead.
  - shadowgovt 7y ago
    Nobody's stopping him from speaking. The FSF, MIT, and portions of the GNU maintainer community have simply aligned on the meme "He doesn't speak for us." As they may.

armitron 7y ago

Couldn't have said it better. I hope Stallman survives this coup because there is potential here for the GNU project to be destroyed by the actions of a few (I'd like to say misguided but I fear that some of them have been planning this for a long time). And unlike what they say they want to push towards, there is value in GNU not being a "democracy". Committees can easily get corrupted - we've seen this repeatedly in the open source world - and are not a good substitute for a single person with a strong moral code. A "democracy" would never have given raise to the GNU project to start with. Here is Andy Wingo beating the war drums [1] and starting a witch hunt [2] against some poor guy: " "He starts his talk by stating his hope that he won't be seen as "offensive or part of rape culture or something" " "His microphone wasn't on, so once he gets it on he repeats the joke. I stomp out, slam the door, and tweet a few angry things" To Andy Wingo, this was a "rape culture joke". Notice his snap judgement on the matter, there is no room for additional interpretation here, no room for thinking. His mind is already made up. He "stomps out and slams the door". We have reached the point where people with hair-thin triggers are ready to jump on someone and brand him with the vilest form of - career destroying - criticism if they deem what he says offensive. I'm disgusted by this behavior and hope that the GNU project finds a way to distance themselves from this sort of idiotic ideology. [1] https://wingolog.org/archives/2014/08/18/on-gnu-and-on-hackers https://wingolog.org/archives/2014/08/18/on-gnu-and-on-hacke... [2] https://twitter.com/andywingo/status/500637145342935040 https://twitter.com/andywingo/status/500637145342935040