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Somehow I think this lawsuit will cost Google somewhat less then the 8 billion dollars it would have required to buy Sun outright. This is bad, but I still don

by c2 16y ago

Somehow I think this lawsuit will cost Google somewhat less then the 8 billion dollars it would have required to buy Sun outright. This is bad, but I still don't yet believe buying Sun would have been the better option.

guelo 16y ago
Sun cost 5.6 billion after accounting for Sun's cash.
blinkingled 16y ago
Money in / Money out is the smaller picture. Having control over the Java IP, future direction, security from anybody suing you - that is priceless.
- c2 16y ago
  Not exactly priceless - the upside has to be worth more then the 5-7 billion spent for it to be worth it for Google. Security from people suing you is probably the most compelling reason you gave here - I see no reason why Google would want to control Java IP and future direction when they can write all the software they need to in house to built on the Java platform to meet their needs. So is 5-7 billion worth security for people suing you? I guess we'll see, but this is likely the biggest lawsuit related to Java they will ever face, and you can bet they won't make this same mistake again. Unless then pay out several billion dollars, which is unlikely given the tendency of these large technology firms to cross sue and settle with cross licensing agreements, I'd say Google's decision not be buy Sun is still sound at this time. Just my two cents, I am watching just like the next person from the sidelines, this should be interesting.
  - blinkingled 16y ago
    Google does a fair bit of language and VM research - Go language, Python/LLVM and I think having Java in their pockets would give them a good amount of leverage - they don't have to rely on Oracle providing a updated JVM under favorable licensing terms for example - lot of Google Enterprise stuff is Java based. If tomorrow Oracle decides to go OpenSolaris route for OpenJDK - that would be bad for Google as they don't have their own "Java" VM. But even if you just consider the suing part - this is potentially not just limited to Google but also their OHA members. So if Larry sues everyone in OHA and handset makers couldn't afford to pay what Larry asks - that could end up hurting Android.
  - meterplech 16y ago
    It's more than that though. This article specifically says that HTC and Motorola have also been sued for patent infringement. Even if Google can afford to pay for these types of lawsuits, this could really hurt them strategically in working with telecoms and other vendors in the future. Anyone wanting to build a new tablet/phone will have to consider this as a huge risk. Could have much bigger strategic aspects than just the IP
rufugee 16y ago
It would've been the better option for the rest of us though...I'd feel much more comfortable (even excited) with Google at Java's helm...

by c2 16y ago

guelo 16y ago

Sun cost 5.6 billion after accounting for Sun's cash.

blinkingled 16y ago

Money in / Money out is the smaller picture. Having control over the Java IP, future direction, security from anybody suing you - that is priceless.

c2 16y ago
Not exactly priceless - the upside has to be worth more then the 5-7 billion spent for it to be worth it for Google. Security from people suing you is probably the most compelling reason you gave here - I see no reason why Google would want to control Java IP and future direction when they can write all the software they need to in house to built on the Java platform to meet their needs. So is 5-7 billion worth security for people suing you? I guess we'll see, but this is likely the biggest lawsuit related to Java they will ever face, and you can bet they won't make this same mistake again. Unless then pay out several billion dollars, which is unlikely given the tendency of these large technology firms to cross sue and settle with cross licensing agreements, I'd say Google's decision not be buy Sun is still sound at this time. Just my two cents, I am watching just like the next person from the sidelines, this should be interesting.
- blinkingled 16y ago
  Google does a fair bit of language and VM research - Go language, Python/LLVM and I think having Java in their pockets would give them a good amount of leverage - they don't have to rely on Oracle providing a updated JVM under favorable licensing terms for example - lot of Google Enterprise stuff is Java based. If tomorrow Oracle decides to go OpenSolaris route for OpenJDK - that would be bad for Google as they don't have their own "Java" VM. But even if you just consider the suing part - this is potentially not just limited to Google but also their OHA members. So if Larry sues everyone in OHA and handset makers couldn't afford to pay what Larry asks - that could end up hurting Android.
- meterplech 16y ago
  It's more than that though. This article specifically says that HTC and Motorola have also been sued for patent infringement. Even if Google can afford to pay for these types of lawsuits, this could really hurt them strategically in working with telecoms and other vendors in the future. Anyone wanting to build a new tablet/phone will have to consider this as a huge risk. Could have much bigger strategic aspects than just the IP

rufugee 16y ago

It would've been the better option for the rest of us though...I'd feel much more comfortable (even excited) with Google at Java's helm...