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Sometimes it's beyond me how tech savy people are struggling with the easiest things online. The page itself has only very few links. Randomly clicking through

Sometimes it's beyond me how tech savy people are struggling with the easiest things online. The page itself has only very few links. Randomly clicking through it logged in would have a high chance hitting one of the links that would either lead you directly to one of the links where you can CONTRIBUTE: https://voice.mozilla.org/de/speak https://voice.mozilla.org/de/speak, your dashboard where you can also find links to the CONTRIBUTE part or just the huge microphone symbol.

pornel 7y ago
I'm talking about new languages, which haven't been launched yet, because they don't have enough text to record yet. The actual method to contribute to them is finding Mozilla's internal translation tool, proposing translations, then finding a Mozillian to approve them. Then there's an obscure webapp for sentence submission and voting, but it doesn't give any feedback whether sentences you've submitted were accepted or went to /dev/null. (you see people struggling with easiest things, because you assume people struggle with easiest things, rather than that you've misunderstood the problem.)
- ascii_only 7y ago
  There is feedback in sentence collector. If your sentence too long it will tell you straight away. If your sentence is rejected by people it will appear in "rejected sentences" tab. If your sentences are approved you can see it in GitHub repo.
  - pornel 7y ago
    What GitHub? Please realize that none of this is obvious to an outsider who doesn't know how your pipeline is built. None of this is explained on the Voice website. These tools aren't even linked to on the official website. I've submitted 200 sentences, and none of the progress counters shown to me increased by 200, so I assumed they were lost, and gave up.
    - ascii_only 7y ago
      In mozilla/voice-web/server/data/ but if at your profile tab in sentence-collector there are 0 sentences added than that means that your sentences hadn't been added even to sentence-collector for approval.
rpmisms 7y ago
"The Easiest Things" is the refrain of poor UX advocates.
hustlinhack 7y ago
The people that run the voice program at Mozilla seem to be very disconnected from the rest of Mozilla. They are essentially an "innovation team" that jump from project to project across the company acting as almost an agency inside Mozilla. Seems this model has really made projects like this suffer because there isn't a team always there to iterate on the project and make it better.

pornel 7y ago

I'm talking about new languages, which haven't been launched yet, because they don't have enough text to record yet. The actual method to contribute to them is finding Mozilla's internal translation tool, proposing translations, then finding a Mozillian to approve them. Then there's an obscure webapp for sentence submission and voting, but it doesn't give any feedback whether sentences you've submitted were accepted or went to /dev/null. (you see people struggling with easiest things, because you assume people struggle with easiest things, rather than that you've misunderstood the problem.)

ascii_only 7y ago
There is feedback in sentence collector. If your sentence too long it will tell you straight away. If your sentence is rejected by people it will appear in "rejected sentences" tab. If your sentences are approved you can see it in GitHub repo.
- pornel 7y ago
  What GitHub? Please realize that none of this is obvious to an outsider who doesn't know how your pipeline is built. None of this is explained on the Voice website. These tools aren't even linked to on the official website. I've submitted 200 sentences, and none of the progress counters shown to me increased by 200, so I assumed they were lost, and gave up.
  - ascii_only 7y ago
    In mozilla/voice-web/server/data/ but if at your profile tab in sentence-collector there are 0 sentences added than that means that your sentences hadn't been added even to sentence-collector for approval.

rpmisms 7y ago

"The Easiest Things" is the refrain of poor UX advocates.

hustlinhack 7y ago

The people that run the voice program at Mozilla seem to be very disconnected from the rest of Mozilla. They are essentially an "innovation team" that jump from project to project across the company acting as almost an agency inside Mozilla. Seems this model has really made projects like this suffer because there isn't a team always there to iterate on the project and make it better.