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A Norway-like deal was never on offer from the EU as far as I can tell. What's more, even Norway said that they would not support a Norway-like arrangement with

A Norway-like deal was never on offer from the EU as far as I can tell. What's more, even Norway said that they would not support a Norway-like arrangement with the UK joining EFTA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Free_Trade_Association#United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Free_Trade_Associatio...

benj111 7y ago
There's nothing stopping the UK from trying to negotiate that kind of relationship. That was never sought though. May's red lines made that kind of relationship impossible.
- tom_mellior 7y ago
  Sure, the UK could try that. I was just replying specifically to the assertion that other deals like Norway were "on offer". A Norway deal was discussed, but nobody really offered it to the UK.
  - benj111 7y ago
    I think the parent was talking about the domestic conversation around the Brexit vote. The red lines weren't drawn until after that vote.
mpweiher 7y ago
> Norway-like deal was never on offer This is simply not true. See Barnier's presentation graphic: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/michel-barnier-killer-graphic-brexit-theresa-mays-red-lines-on-bespoke-model_uk_5a39497ce4b0fc99878f2058 https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/michel-barnier-killer... The various models shown (with variations) were all on offer by the EU, rejected/made impossible by the UK's red lines.
- gpderetta 7y ago
  that's one nasty GDPR nag screen. 10 clicks deep and still no way to opt out.
- tom_mellior 7y ago
  Thanks for that graphic. I don't know what Barnier said along showing that slide, but for me it looks more like "there's no point even thinking about offering or discussing these options if you've ruled them out already" and less like "we have offered all of these in earnest". But I understand that your interpretation differs. Edit: I found this: https://www.businessinsider.de/what-is-the-norway-model-brexit-2018-4?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.de/what-is-the-norway-model-brex... "The EU has always said the Norway option is available to the UK.", which I'll choose to believe. I stand corrected.
  - NeedMoreTea 7y ago
    The EU position has been simple, accurate, and consistent. The slide simply shows each Brexit option and which UK redline issues get in the way of each of those options, including the Norway route. To pick just one: Norway has free movement of people with the EU, and is in the Schengen area. To get the same deal, UK would have to drop the objection to free movement.

benj111 7y ago

There's nothing stopping the UK from trying to negotiate that kind of relationship. That was never sought though. May's red lines made that kind of relationship impossible.

tom_mellior 7y ago
Sure, the UK could try that. I was just replying specifically to the assertion that other deals like Norway were "on offer". A Norway deal was discussed, but nobody really offered it to the UK.
- benj111 7y ago
  I think the parent was talking about the domestic conversation around the Brexit vote. The red lines weren't drawn until after that vote.

mpweiher 7y ago

> Norway-like deal was never on offer This is simply not true. See Barnier's presentation graphic: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/michel-barnier-killer-graphic-brexit-theresa-mays-red-lines-on-bespoke-model_uk_5a39497ce4b0fc99878f2058 https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/michel-barnier-killer... The various models shown (with variations) were all on offer by the EU, rejected/made impossible by the UK's red lines.

gpderetta 7y ago
that's one nasty GDPR nag screen. 10 clicks deep and still no way to opt out.
tom_mellior 7y ago
Thanks for that graphic. I don't know what Barnier said along showing that slide, but for me it looks more like "there's no point even thinking about offering or discussing these options if you've ruled them out already" and less like "we have offered all of these in earnest". But I understand that your interpretation differs. Edit: I found this: https://www.businessinsider.de/what-is-the-norway-model-brexit-2018-4?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.de/what-is-the-norway-model-brex... "The EU has always said the Norway option is available to the UK.", which I'll choose to believe. I stand corrected.
- NeedMoreTea 7y ago
  The EU position has been simple, accurate, and consistent. The slide simply shows each Brexit option and which UK redline issues get in the way of each of those options, including the Norway route. To pick just one: Norway has free movement of people with the EU, and is in the Schengen area. To get the same deal, UK would have to drop the objection to free movement.