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Boris already lost the majority, even without the DUP defecting. But (parts of) the opposition parties could actually vote for the deal, thinking it's better t

Boris already lost the majority, even without the DUP defecting. But (parts of) the opposition parties could actually vote for the deal, thinking it's better than no-deal or gambling on a second referendum.

pjc50 7y ago
Which parts? Can we name names? Are there really that many people willing to get kicked out of the Labour party at this late stage to support an obviously bad deal?
- DavidHm 7y ago
  19 backbenchers. Probably not suffient to swing the vote, but more people might come out. https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/107132/labour-mps-call-eu-compromise-they-pledge-vote https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labou...
  - rndgermandude 7y ago
    That, and also some of those "sacked" Conservatives. They are still elected members of the House of Commons with voting rights. They wanted a deal, now one is on the table they can vote for. While e.g. the people Labour sacked over sexual harassment allegations will probably stay home. And there is also the Lib Dems who are caught between a rock and a hard place, who might figure this deal is better than nothing.
- growlist 7y ago
  Because Labour is looking like such an election winning machine right now: 'Louise Ellman quits Labour party with fierce attack on Corbyn ...the Jewish MP attacked the Labour leader’s record on antisemitism, saying: “Under Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership, antisemitism has become mainstream in the Labour party. Jewish members have been bullied, abused and driven out. Antisemites have felt comfortable and vile conspiracy theories have been propagated. A party that permits anti-Jewish racism to flourish cannot be called anti-racist.” She added: “The overwhelming majority of the Jewish community is fearful of what a Corbyn government might mean for Britain’s Jews. I share those concerns. But this issue is not simply about the Jewish community. This is about the nature of our society. Jeremy Corbyn’s seeming tolerance of antisemitism would embolden racists, poison our public debate and damage the social cohesion of our country.' https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/16/louise-ellman-quits-labour-party-over-antisemitism https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/16/louise-ellm...
  - RobertoG 7y ago
    This strategy of calling antisemitic to any criticism of the state of Israel could work for a while, but, at some point, it's going to be too obvious.
    - NeedMoreTea 7y ago
      Too obvious it may be, but it seems to be another bullshit media campaign that's worked. It keeps coming back. It's farcical to think of criticising Israel or their illegal occupation is anti-semitism.
    - growlist 7y ago
      Or perhaps it's no coincidence that Labour courts the Muslim vote, and simultaneously appears to tolerate anti-semitism.
  - rob74 7y ago
    I wonder if that's following a definition of antisemitism which considers any criticism of the Israeli government as antisemitic? According to this article (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/04/labour-adopts-ihra-antisemitism-definition-in-full https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/04/labour-adop...): > The most controversial passage in the draft statement proposed by Corbyn said: “It cannot be considered racist to treat Israel like any other state or assess its conduct against the standards of international law. Nor should it be regarded as antisemitic to describe Israel, its policies or the circumstances around its foundation as racist because of their discriminatory impact, or to support another settlement of the Israel-Palestine conflict.” This statement was not approved by Labour's ruling body.
tonyedgecombe 7y ago
I don't think that matters, right now he has someone to blame (the DUP), that's all he cares about.

pjc50 7y ago

Which parts? Can we name names? Are there really that many people willing to get kicked out of the Labour party at this late stage to support an obviously bad deal?

DavidHm 7y ago
19 backbenchers. Probably not suffient to swing the vote, but more people might come out. https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/107132/labour-mps-call-eu-compromise-they-pledge-vote https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labou...
- rndgermandude 7y ago
  That, and also some of those "sacked" Conservatives. They are still elected members of the House of Commons with voting rights. They wanted a deal, now one is on the table they can vote for. While e.g. the people Labour sacked over sexual harassment allegations will probably stay home. And there is also the Lib Dems who are caught between a rock and a hard place, who might figure this deal is better than nothing.
growlist 7y ago
Because Labour is looking like such an election winning machine right now: 'Louise Ellman quits Labour party with fierce attack on Corbyn ...the Jewish MP attacked the Labour leader’s record on antisemitism, saying: “Under Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership, antisemitism has become mainstream in the Labour party. Jewish members have been bullied, abused and driven out. Antisemites have felt comfortable and vile conspiracy theories have been propagated. A party that permits anti-Jewish racism to flourish cannot be called anti-racist.” She added: “The overwhelming majority of the Jewish community is fearful of what a Corbyn government might mean for Britain’s Jews. I share those concerns. But this issue is not simply about the Jewish community. This is about the nature of our society. Jeremy Corbyn’s seeming tolerance of antisemitism would embolden racists, poison our public debate and damage the social cohesion of our country.' https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/16/louise-ellman-quits-labour-party-over-antisemitism https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/16/louise-ellm...
- RobertoG 7y ago
  This strategy of calling antisemitic to any criticism of the state of Israel could work for a while, but, at some point, it's going to be too obvious.
  - NeedMoreTea 7y ago
    Too obvious it may be, but it seems to be another bullshit media campaign that's worked. It keeps coming back. It's farcical to think of criticising Israel or their illegal occupation is anti-semitism.
  - growlist 7y ago
    Or perhaps it's no coincidence that Labour courts the Muslim vote, and simultaneously appears to tolerate anti-semitism.
- rob74 7y ago
  I wonder if that's following a definition of antisemitism which considers any criticism of the Israeli government as antisemitic? According to this article (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/04/labour-adopts-ihra-antisemitism-definition-in-full https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/04/labour-adop...): > The most controversial passage in the draft statement proposed by Corbyn said: “It cannot be considered racist to treat Israel like any other state or assess its conduct against the standards of international law. Nor should it be regarded as antisemitic to describe Israel, its policies or the circumstances around its foundation as racist because of their discriminatory impact, or to support another settlement of the Israel-Palestine conflict.” This statement was not approved by Labour's ruling body.

tonyedgecombe 7y ago

I don't think that matters, right now he has someone to blame (the DUP), that's all he cares about.