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If any CEO of recent times deserves it, it's Satya. He's brought Microsoft back from the depths of unsexy!

blub 7y ago
Isn't he chiefly responsible for turning MS into another Google - spying on its so-called customers for even more profit? He must have at least winked in through.
- siberianbear 7y ago
  Yes, exactly. Windows 10 is seriously creepy in a way that Windows wasn't before.
- m-p-3 7y ago
  He did push hard on open-source some neat products like PowerShell, Visual Studio Code, etc. IMO, I would have never guessed 10 years ago that Microsoft would acquire GitHub.
  - justata 7y ago
    VScode is not open-source. And the open-source version (VScodium) does not support some of the most useful features like remote dev (https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/issues/196 https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/issues/196) "it appears to be a deliberate licensing choice by Microsoft to not allow use of the Remote Development extension pack with vscodium" Microsoft is doing the same vicious trick as Google with Android, Fushia, etc. : "guys we're cool, we're open source blabla" which attracts lots of people & dev, but then it quickly becomes full of proprietary blobs, telemetry & spyware. Sure there is still the open-source part (AOSP, VSCodium, etc.) but we all now how unusable AOSP is without all the proprietary stuff. The same thing is happening to VSCode, MS is adding telemetry, proprietary parts and the most useful extensions are from MS and not compatible with the open-source version. Microsoft is just using open-source as a marketing buzzword.
    - ablekh 7y ago
      Without addressing related aspects, your statement is factually incorrect. VS Code is definitely open source (MIT licensed): https://github.com/microsoft/vscode https://github.com/microsoft/vscode.
    - deleted 7y ago
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    - hollerith 7y ago
      VSCode is open-source except for 3 recently-introduced extensions, and your comparing it to Android is unfair. VSCodium main claim to fame is that it is vscode with the telemetry removed, not that it is vscode with the proprietary parts removed. There are no proprietary parts to remove. My experience running VSCodium is that it feels just like running a vscode binary downloaded from Microsoft (namely, from https://code.visualstudio.com/download https://code.visualstudio.com/download). For example, you can use VSCodium to install extensions from Microsoft's "extension store" -- with the sole exception of the 3 recently-introduced proprietary remote-development extensions. The fact that VSCodium has been hosted on a site owned by Microsoft (namely, Github) for many months is strong evidence that VSCodium is not violating Microsoft's copyright and that consequently any coder can get the MIT-licensed code at https://github.com/microsoft/vscode https://github.com/microsoft/vscode and build his own vscode that works just like one of Microsoft's binaries in almost all ways. The 3 aforementioned proprietary extensions are not included in the vscode binary you download from https://code.visualstudio.com/download https://code.visualstudio.com/download: a user has to explicitly install one of the 3 (or the "extension pack" which causes all 3 to be installed) after installing the binary, so after reading this thread a user is not going to accidentally start using proprietary parts of vscode. VSCodium describes itself as "binary releases of VS Code without MS branding/telemetry/licensing". That last word refers to the fact that the binaries at https://code.visualstudio.com/download https://code.visualstudio.com/download have a more restrictive license than the source code at https://github.com/microsoft/vscode https://github.com/microsoft/vscode. I don't understand why MS's lawyers felt the need for a separate licence for the binaries, but any coder can escape that license by building vscode from the source code, which is MIT-licensed.
tuananh 7y ago
counts Lisa Su of AMD in as well.
- throwaway-9320 7y ago
  And don't forget about the hard-working engineers of AMD who made that success possible.
- dehrmann 7y ago
  Shower thought: AMD is the Lyft of CPUs.
  - rowanG077 7y ago
    How so?
trianglem 7y ago
Just watching the Microsoft Flight Sim pre-alpha the other day really shows how much Microsoft have changed their image and are still managing to do very cool stuff after all these years.
nodesocket 7y ago
Agree, Microsoft has transformed itself recently in terms of great engineering and innovation, even though I still refuse to use Windows 10 and stick with Mac.
- milankragujevic 7y ago
  Well, to be honest, all the great engineering and innovation is in other products, either completely unrelated to, or utilizing but not dependent on, Windows 10 (i.e. all the cloud things, a lot of hardware, etc.) The only thing that they did with Windows 10 is WSL, which I give them credits for, but I do not use it. In any case, Windows 10 is a pretty bad OS, ignoring the privacy violations and telemetry, update annoyances, etc., the reason I think it is a bad OS is because of how bad it runs on a lot of hardware, including really expensive desktop Ryzen PCs with 32GB of RAM and a NVMe SSD. It's sluggish, it takes ages to open Explorer, Calculator, etc., and the built-in apps such as Settings often crash or get stuck. It's not due to software, that happens on a lot of hardware on a fresh install of Windows 10 19H1/1903/May2019Update thing.

blub 7y ago

Isn't he chiefly responsible for turning MS into another Google - spying on its so-called customers for even more profit? He must have at least winked in through.

siberianbear 7y ago
Yes, exactly. Windows 10 is seriously creepy in a way that Windows wasn't before.
m-p-3 7y ago
He did push hard on open-source some neat products like PowerShell, Visual Studio Code, etc. IMO, I would have never guessed 10 years ago that Microsoft would acquire GitHub.
- justata 7y ago
  VScode is not open-source. And the open-source version (VScodium) does not support some of the most useful features like remote dev (https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/issues/196 https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/issues/196) "it appears to be a deliberate licensing choice by Microsoft to not allow use of the Remote Development extension pack with vscodium" Microsoft is doing the same vicious trick as Google with Android, Fushia, etc. : "guys we're cool, we're open source blabla" which attracts lots of people & dev, but then it quickly becomes full of proprietary blobs, telemetry & spyware. Sure there is still the open-source part (AOSP, VSCodium, etc.) but we all now how unusable AOSP is without all the proprietary stuff. The same thing is happening to VSCode, MS is adding telemetry, proprietary parts and the most useful extensions are from MS and not compatible with the open-source version. Microsoft is just using open-source as a marketing buzzword.
  - ablekh 7y ago
    Without addressing related aspects, your statement is factually incorrect. VS Code is definitely open source (MIT licensed): https://github.com/microsoft/vscode https://github.com/microsoft/vscode.
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - hollerith 7y ago
    VSCode is open-source except for 3 recently-introduced extensions, and your comparing it to Android is unfair. VSCodium main claim to fame is that it is vscode with the telemetry removed, not that it is vscode with the proprietary parts removed. There are no proprietary parts to remove. My experience running VSCodium is that it feels just like running a vscode binary downloaded from Microsoft (namely, from https://code.visualstudio.com/download https://code.visualstudio.com/download). For example, you can use VSCodium to install extensions from Microsoft's "extension store" -- with the sole exception of the 3 recently-introduced proprietary remote-development extensions. The fact that VSCodium has been hosted on a site owned by Microsoft (namely, Github) for many months is strong evidence that VSCodium is not violating Microsoft's copyright and that consequently any coder can get the MIT-licensed code at https://github.com/microsoft/vscode https://github.com/microsoft/vscode and build his own vscode that works just like one of Microsoft's binaries in almost all ways. The 3 aforementioned proprietary extensions are not included in the vscode binary you download from https://code.visualstudio.com/download https://code.visualstudio.com/download: a user has to explicitly install one of the 3 (or the "extension pack" which causes all 3 to be installed) after installing the binary, so after reading this thread a user is not going to accidentally start using proprietary parts of vscode. VSCodium describes itself as "binary releases of VS Code without MS branding/telemetry/licensing". That last word refers to the fact that the binaries at https://code.visualstudio.com/download https://code.visualstudio.com/download have a more restrictive license than the source code at https://github.com/microsoft/vscode https://github.com/microsoft/vscode. I don't understand why MS's lawyers felt the need for a separate licence for the binaries, but any coder can escape that license by building vscode from the source code, which is MIT-licensed.

tuananh 7y ago

counts Lisa Su of AMD in as well.

throwaway-9320 7y ago
And don't forget about the hard-working engineers of AMD who made that success possible.
dehrmann 7y ago
Shower thought: AMD is the Lyft of CPUs.
- rowanG077 7y ago
  How so?

trianglem 7y ago

Just watching the Microsoft Flight Sim pre-alpha the other day really shows how much Microsoft have changed their image and are still managing to do very cool stuff after all these years.

nodesocket 7y ago

Agree, Microsoft has transformed itself recently in terms of great engineering and innovation, even though I still refuse to use Windows 10 and stick with Mac.

milankragujevic 7y ago
Well, to be honest, all the great engineering and innovation is in other products, either completely unrelated to, or utilizing but not dependent on, Windows 10 (i.e. all the cloud things, a lot of hardware, etc.) The only thing that they did with Windows 10 is WSL, which I give them credits for, but I do not use it. In any case, Windows 10 is a pretty bad OS, ignoring the privacy violations and telemetry, update annoyances, etc., the reason I think it is a bad OS is because of how bad it runs on a lot of hardware, including really expensive desktop Ryzen PCs with 32GB of RAM and a NVMe SSD. It's sluggish, it takes ages to open Explorer, Calculator, etc., and the built-in apps such as Settings often crash or get stuck. It's not due to software, that happens on a lot of hardware on a fresh install of Windows 10 19H1/1903/May2019Update thing.