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That's how you get to charge an arm and a leg. Release a product that's twice as fast as anybody else's, and support it for three times as long. I'm a loyal cus

by m0zg 7y ago

That's how you get to charge an arm and a leg. Release a product that's twice as fast as anybody else's, and support it for three times as long. I'm a loyal customer since iPhone 1, and as much as it hurts forking over reams of cash for my own and my wife's iPhones every couple of years, there's just no serious alternative. I also have a Pixel3 issued by one of my customers. It feels like a cheaply made toy next to my iPhone 11 Pro: oversaturated screen, camera sucks, app store is full of garbage, scrolling stutters sometimes (albeit less than it did 5-7 years ago) etc. And Pixel 3 is a phone that's one of the best in the Android ecosystem wrt at least camera and screen. Most other phones are worse.

what_ever 7y ago
Lot of errors in your comment. - Pixel 3/3XL had best camera in phones until 11/11 Pro were released (yeah even better than XS). - Pixel 3 didn't have best screen in Android phones. Not even close. 3XL had good screen, was not oversaturated. Samsung in general have had the best screens overall. - Lot of people actually don't think Pixel 3 looks like a cheaply made toy. Look for reviews. - iPhones won't be supported 3 times as long compared to Pixel 3s. - App store is not full of garbage. Source: I use a Pixel 3XL. Disc: Googler but nowhere close to the Pixel/phone teams.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  > iPhones won't be supported 3 times as long compared to Pixel 3s. As someone who bought the very first Nexus phone (Nexus One, 2010), and several after that until the Nexus 5, I don’t believe this one bit and it’s why I moved to an iphone and never looked back. Google’s long term hardware support commitments are worth less than their human technical support commitments. Apple has demonstrated their commitment to long term hardware support. My 2013 MacBook Air still runs the latest version of MacOS (Catalina) six years later.
  - what_ever 7y ago
    Pixel XL (3 year old) was just updated to Android 10 (full update, not just security update). I don't think 9 year old iPhones are still getting full updates. AFAIK, all old update issues on Nexus were due to lack of driver support from Qualcomm[0]. Some of those have been mitigated in recent Android versions. 0 - https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/08/why-isnt-your-old-phone-getting-nougat-theres-blame-enough-to-go-around/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/08/why-isnt-your-old-ph...
- machello13 7y ago
  > Pixel 3/3XL had best camera in phones until 11/11 Pro were released (yeah even better than XS). This was definitely true for low light pictures, but for all other cases I don't think it can be said objectively that the Pixel was better. > Lot of people actually don't think Pixel 3 looks like a cheaply made toy. Look for reviews. "Cheaply made toy" is strong wording but in my reading of reviews, it's very common for people to say it feels cheaper than an iPhone.
panpanna 7y ago
Just want to point out that Samsung is still updating some 4-5 years old phones. Also, pixel is a technology showcase and not always the best Android can offer. In a multi vendor market who is the best changes every quarter. Disclaimer: writing this on a $400 Nokia from two years ago.
- scarface74 7y ago
  Is it really reassuring that you don’t know in advance whether your phone will get updated? For comparison, Apple just released a bug fix update for the iPhone 4s - released in 2011 - in July of this year.
  - panpanna 7y ago
    Companies such as Sony and Samsung have enterprise programs where they commit to much longer update periods (5 years?). I don't think using a 4s in 2019 with the latest os and apps is a pleasant experience. While I appreciate apples commitment to iOS updates, I think 5 years of updates is a more realistic goal.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      It’s not the latest OS. Apple updated iOS 9 and 10. The latest version was iOS 12 at the time. https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/07/22/apple-issues-ios-936-and-ios-1034-updates-for-older-iphone-and-ipad-models https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/07/22/apple-issues-ios-...
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by m0zg 7y ago

what_ever 7y ago

Lot of errors in your comment. - Pixel 3/3XL had best camera in phones until 11/11 Pro were released (yeah even better than XS). - Pixel 3 didn't have best screen in Android phones. Not even close. 3XL had good screen, was not oversaturated. Samsung in general have had the best screens overall. - Lot of people actually don't think Pixel 3 looks like a cheaply made toy. Look for reviews. - iPhones won't be supported 3 times as long compared to Pixel 3s. - App store is not full of garbage. Source: I use a Pixel 3XL. Disc: Googler but nowhere close to the Pixel/phone teams.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
> iPhones won't be supported 3 times as long compared to Pixel 3s. As someone who bought the very first Nexus phone (Nexus One, 2010), and several after that until the Nexus 5, I don’t believe this one bit and it’s why I moved to an iphone and never looked back. Google’s long term hardware support commitments are worth less than their human technical support commitments. Apple has demonstrated their commitment to long term hardware support. My 2013 MacBook Air still runs the latest version of MacOS (Catalina) six years later.
- what_ever 7y ago
  Pixel XL (3 year old) was just updated to Android 10 (full update, not just security update). I don't think 9 year old iPhones are still getting full updates. AFAIK, all old update issues on Nexus were due to lack of driver support from Qualcomm[0]. Some of those have been mitigated in recent Android versions. 0 - https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/08/why-isnt-your-old-phone-getting-nougat-theres-blame-enough-to-go-around/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/08/why-isnt-your-old-ph...
machello13 7y ago
> Pixel 3/3XL had best camera in phones until 11/11 Pro were released (yeah even better than XS). This was definitely true for low light pictures, but for all other cases I don't think it can be said objectively that the Pixel was better. > Lot of people actually don't think Pixel 3 looks like a cheaply made toy. Look for reviews. "Cheaply made toy" is strong wording but in my reading of reviews, it's very common for people to say it feels cheaper than an iPhone.

panpanna 7y ago

Just want to point out that Samsung is still updating some 4-5 years old phones. Also, pixel is a technology showcase and not always the best Android can offer. In a multi vendor market who is the best changes every quarter. Disclaimer: writing this on a $400 Nokia from two years ago.

scarface74 7y ago
Is it really reassuring that you don’t know in advance whether your phone will get updated? For comparison, Apple just released a bug fix update for the iPhone 4s - released in 2011 - in July of this year.
- panpanna 7y ago
  Companies such as Sony and Samsung have enterprise programs where they commit to much longer update periods (5 years?). I don't think using a 4s in 2019 with the latest os and apps is a pleasant experience. While I appreciate apples commitment to iOS updates, I think 5 years of updates is a more realistic goal.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    It’s not the latest OS. Apple updated iOS 9 and 10. The latest version was iOS 12 at the time. https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/07/22/apple-issues-ios-936-and-ios-1034-updates-for-older-iphone-and-ipad-models https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/07/22/apple-issues-ios-...
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