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How big is stock though? In NYC a senior dev makes that much or more in finance, and in a startup probably closer to 140-160 with bonus and fuzzy-numbered stoc

How big is stock though? In NYC a senior dev makes that much or more in finance, and in a startup probably closer to 140-160 with bonus and fuzzy-numbered stock options. I don't count my stock options ("units") as anything worth anything at this point, not because I'm cynical but because there's no clear valuation. All things considered I'm suddenly feeling underpaid - I know many quite senior folks barely breaking that.

Cookingboy 7y ago
>fuzzy-numbered stock options We aren't talking about stock options, we are talking about concrete RSUs with real valuations. A Staff Engineer at Google can easily be vesting $200k in stocks alone each year.
- user5994461 7y ago
  Staff is even one level above senior. It's true that they make a lot of money, so do the owner of a SME or a director in a large organization. It's not a position most employees will ever attain in their lifetime.
  - novok 7y ago
    Directors are equivalent to staff +1 or staff +2. Staff engineers are usually equivalent to 2nd level middle managers, with 1st level are managers of teams that are just ICs). Jr Engineers can be 30-50% of an engineering organization. So it's not that impossible.
    - 9nGQluzmnq3M 7y ago
      Director (L8) is two levels above staff engineer (L6) in Google. But promotions get exponentially more difficult after L5, particularly if you intend to stay as an IC.
      - user5994461 7y ago
        I meant director as a general title in corporations, not google specifically.
uwuhn 7y ago
RSUs are easily going to be half or more, unless large bonuses are involved (which does happen). Keep in mind RSUs aren't options.
- vonmoltke 7y ago
  I wouldn't say "easily". The shit offer I got from Google past year was about 60% base salary. The non-shit offer I took from Twitter is about 55% base.
  - Google234 7y ago
    Why didn't you use the good offer from Twitter to push Google up?
    - vonmoltke 7y ago
      Well, the good offer came a couple months after I rejected the Google offer, and it was for one level higher (which I didn't think Google was going to budge on).
chris11 7y ago
> fuzzy-numbered stock options That's true for non-public companies, but stock options at a publicly traded company like Google or Apple are much easier to value.
scarejunba 7y ago
Stock options are distinct from units. They have a clear value, current market value, discounted by your fear of the future.

Cookingboy 7y ago

>fuzzy-numbered stock options We aren't talking about stock options, we are talking about concrete RSUs with real valuations. A Staff Engineer at Google can easily be vesting $200k in stocks alone each year.

user5994461 7y ago
Staff is even one level above senior. It's true that they make a lot of money, so do the owner of a SME or a director in a large organization. It's not a position most employees will ever attain in their lifetime.
- novok 7y ago
  Directors are equivalent to staff +1 or staff +2. Staff engineers are usually equivalent to 2nd level middle managers, with 1st level are managers of teams that are just ICs). Jr Engineers can be 30-50% of an engineering organization. So it's not that impossible.
  - 9nGQluzmnq3M 7y ago
    Director (L8) is two levels above staff engineer (L6) in Google. But promotions get exponentially more difficult after L5, particularly if you intend to stay as an IC.
    - user5994461 7y ago
      I meant director as a general title in corporations, not google specifically.

uwuhn 7y ago

RSUs are easily going to be half or more, unless large bonuses are involved (which does happen). Keep in mind RSUs aren't options.

vonmoltke 7y ago
I wouldn't say "easily". The shit offer I got from Google past year was about 60% base salary. The non-shit offer I took from Twitter is about 55% base.
- Google234 7y ago
  Why didn't you use the good offer from Twitter to push Google up?
  - vonmoltke 7y ago
    Well, the good offer came a couple months after I rejected the Google offer, and it was for one level higher (which I didn't think Google was going to budge on).

chris11 7y ago

> fuzzy-numbered stock options That's true for non-public companies, but stock options at a publicly traded company like Google or Apple are much easier to value.

scarejunba 7y ago

Stock options are distinct from units. They have a clear value, current market value, discounted by your fear of the future.