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I didn't find the slides so bad. But.. > Ally is a verb, not an identity That's... that's a noun.

grzm 7y ago
It can be either, depending on context. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ally https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ally
- OJFord 7y ago
  GP is referring to the slide (linked in GGP post) that calls it a verb but uses it as a noun: > Ally is a verb, not an identity > [...] > Acting as an ally is about action - it is not an identity, which is why we talk about "ally skills" instead of "allies" (In military slang 'ally skills' could be adjectival use, but I'm pretty sure this is using it like 'friend skills', a noun.)
  - grzm 7y ago
    My reading of the slide is that they're making the distinction that it's an action (verb) not a state of being (identity), similar to the meme that "human being" is an action rather than a thing. I take the following sentences as confirming this reading: > Being a marginalized person takes no action - it is an identity: > Acting as an ally is about action - it is not an identity, which is why we talk about "ally skills" instead of "allies" > Depending on what is most relevant about you to the situation, you may switch between being marginalized and acting as an ally
DATACOMMANDER 7y ago
You didn’t find the slides so bad? Really? Those slides present a rather extreme ideology, which is not based on (and is often flatly contradicted by) evidence.
- fwip 7y ago
  Yeah, the slides are normal and reasonable. You think it's extreme ideology to say that people often treat men different than women?
  - DATACOMMANDER 7y ago
    Any ideology which hinges on the "blank slate" hypothesis is extreme, insofar as that hypothesis is very obviously false. Furthermore, intersectionalism is essentially a conspiracy theory.
    - fwip 7y ago
      That's, uh, a wild statement. You don't think people disadvantaged on multiple axes have a harder time than people on one or none? Because that's what intersectionality means.
      - DATACOMMANDER 7y ago
        No one is on "one or none" "axis of disadvantage". Everyone is born with many advantages and many disadvantages. Intersectionality is concerned exclusively with the the advantages held by white men in Western democracies. Women have many advantages that men don't have, but intersectionalists don't care about those. Western society has a long history of producing ideologies centered on guilt and sexual propriety, and intersectionality is just the latest iteration. It's a descendant of puritanism.

grzm 7y ago

It can be either, depending on context. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ally https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ally

OJFord 7y ago
GP is referring to the slide (linked in GGP post) that calls it a verb but uses it as a noun: > Ally is a verb, not an identity > [...] > Acting as an ally is about action - it is not an identity, which is why we talk about "ally skills" instead of "allies" (In military slang 'ally skills' could be adjectival use, but I'm pretty sure this is using it like 'friend skills', a noun.)
- grzm 7y ago
  My reading of the slide is that they're making the distinction that it's an action (verb) not a state of being (identity), similar to the meme that "human being" is an action rather than a thing. I take the following sentences as confirming this reading: > Being a marginalized person takes no action - it is an identity: > Acting as an ally is about action - it is not an identity, which is why we talk about "ally skills" instead of "allies" > Depending on what is most relevant about you to the situation, you may switch between being marginalized and acting as an ally

DATACOMMANDER 7y ago

You didn’t find the slides so bad? Really? Those slides present a rather extreme ideology, which is not based on (and is often flatly contradicted by) evidence.

fwip 7y ago
Yeah, the slides are normal and reasonable. You think it's extreme ideology to say that people often treat men different than women?
- DATACOMMANDER 7y ago
  Any ideology which hinges on the "blank slate" hypothesis is extreme, insofar as that hypothesis is very obviously false. Furthermore, intersectionalism is essentially a conspiracy theory.
  - fwip 7y ago
    That's, uh, a wild statement. You don't think people disadvantaged on multiple axes have a harder time than people on one or none? Because that's what intersectionality means.
    - DATACOMMANDER 7y ago
      No one is on "one or none" "axis of disadvantage". Everyone is born with many advantages and many disadvantages. Intersectionality is concerned exclusively with the the advantages held by white men in Western democracies. Women have many advantages that men don't have, but intersectionalists don't care about those. Western society has a long history of producing ideologies centered on guilt and sexual propriety, and intersectionality is just the latest iteration. It's a descendant of puritanism.