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> with what they feel like. Catalan (and other nationalists) are key to form governments on Spain, specially the last two or three legislatures, so this is hig

> with what they feel like. Catalan (and other nationalists) are key to form governments on Spain, specially the last two or three legislatures, so this is highly debatable at best. Some laws that were not passed/revoked in the central parliament have been precisely because of the vote of such parties. A party can be both in its autonomous and central parliament. And this has been the case for decades. I know what independence supporters feel about, but there's no substance to an argument where Catalans are ignored or overruled from the central parliament because of any sort of authoritarian rule, because they are integral and important part of how power is distributed and managed in such institution.

capableweb 7y ago
I try to understand both sides without siding too much with either. "there's no substance to an argument where Catalans are ignored or overruled from the central parliament because of any sort of authoritarian rule" leads me to believe that you're not thinking the same way as me regarding understanding both sides. Image if the EU Council could, at any time, invoke a article to take control over what the member states themselves should decide over. This is what Catalans feel right now is happening. Any autonomy that Catalans currently enjoy, is devolved power from Madrid. Just having the possibility for Madrid to at any time suspend the autonomy of (what they see as) their own state, makes them uneasy, and we're seeing the result of that uneasiness coming to the surface more and more recently.
- iagovar 7y ago
  > Image if the EU Council could, at any time, invoke a article to take control over what the member states themselves should decide over. This is what Catalans feel right now is happening. Such thing has happened, but it's not the current state of affairs. The central state took control of the Catalan institutions until elections were held, not past that. And of course such thing didn't happen in a vacuum. Not to mention that this is a pretty standard procedure in most countries. > leads me to believe that you're not thinking the same way as me regarding understanding both sides I can understand why you think that. I have been following this issue for the last, maybe, ten years. I've worked for politicians in political marketing for a consultant company so I know how they think. I'm an "insider" to political propaganda if you like, so I'm not just sitting back watching events like am a neutral observer. Thankfully I've moved to another totally different field, but it affected my ability to read the really deeply, I'd say.

capableweb 7y ago

I try to understand both sides without siding too much with either. "there's no substance to an argument where Catalans are ignored or overruled from the central parliament because of any sort of authoritarian rule" leads me to believe that you're not thinking the same way as me regarding understanding both sides. Image if the EU Council could, at any time, invoke a article to take control over what the member states themselves should decide over. This is what Catalans feel right now is happening. Any autonomy that Catalans currently enjoy, is devolved power from Madrid. Just having the possibility for Madrid to at any time suspend the autonomy of (what they see as) their own state, makes them uneasy, and we're seeing the result of that uneasiness coming to the surface more and more recently.

iagovar 7y ago
> Image if the EU Council could, at any time, invoke a article to take control over what the member states themselves should decide over. This is what Catalans feel right now is happening. Such thing has happened, but it's not the current state of affairs. The central state took control of the Catalan institutions until elections were held, not past that. And of course such thing didn't happen in a vacuum. Not to mention that this is a pretty standard procedure in most countries. > leads me to believe that you're not thinking the same way as me regarding understanding both sides I can understand why you think that. I have been following this issue for the last, maybe, ten years. I've worked for politicians in political marketing for a consultant company so I know how they think. I'm an "insider" to political propaganda if you like, so I'm not just sitting back watching events like am a neutral observer. Thankfully I've moved to another totally different field, but it affected my ability to read the really deeply, I'd say.