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Where we seem to find ourselves today is in a position where if you have very progressive politics, you can say whatever you like - no matter how radical - wher

Where we seem to find ourselves today is in a position where if you have very progressive politics, you can say whatever you like - no matter how radical - whereas if you have conservative politics you can't even admit that without any specifics without being thought of as evil. This is how we can get away with saying it's "encouraged" while really making sure any meaningful counter-argument is "forbidden" at the same time.

sgustard 7y ago
I work at an oil company in Houston and if I expressed a shred of progressive thought I would be run out of town. Maybe this place is more your speed?
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  The context here is obviously tech companies and media, which appear to be entirely in control of extremists. Keeping of course in mind that it's most likely a small but very vocal minority that dictates the general perception.
  - Analemma_ 7y ago
    > The context here is obviously tech companies and media That's not obvious to me at all. The parent said "Where we seem to find ourselves today..." which pretty clearly implies a universalist statement, and one that happens to be dead wrong.
- weberc2 7y ago
  The opposite of progressive intolerance is not intolerance toward progressives. One can (and should) object to both.
- core-questions 7y ago
  Probably, but what if we both got something that improved our quality of life? I don't want to hear preaching any more than you do. Wouldn't we all get along with our coworkers better if there was less of this in general?
- shard972 7y ago
  Oh yea the cultural influence of the oil companies, it's so annoying how BP culture just makes it's way to the rest of civil society /s If you can't see how the tech/media industry have a larger influence over the general culture then I don't know what to say.
archi42 7y ago
I meant middle ground as in "you can talk about it, but you're neither forced to nor is it banned". Also, there used to be a political spectrum and not just "progressive" and "conservative": This is something completely different than left/right - a right-wing person can easily be a progressive about his right views, while a left-wing person can be conservative [or even reactionary] about his left views. [Edit: Note, I'm a non-native speaker: Maybe this differentiation is different between English than in German?]
- sokoloff 7y ago
  Your English appears to be excellent and your original point seemed quite clear to me. @core-question's reply under yours wasn't an indication that yours was unclear; it was just taking the conversation in a slightly different direction (which is normal).
zucker42 7y ago
I think you're wrong that this affects conservatives significantly more than other groups (and maybe that betrays your personal bias). What is true is that people who are beliefs much are out of far outside the norm for their workplace are discouraged. For example, if you're someone who believes that profit is theft, and you make that clear during work, it will probably have negative effects for you. Whether "conservatives" are the victim of this depends on their workplace and just what views they espouse.
- core-questions 7y ago
  Not a conservative, more of a third positionist myself. Even in places where conservatives are comfortable, I've still got opinions they'd hate. So I shut up.

sgustard 7y ago

I work at an oil company in Houston and if I expressed a shred of progressive thought I would be run out of town. Maybe this place is more your speed?

TeMPOraL 7y ago
The context here is obviously tech companies and media, which appear to be entirely in control of extremists. Keeping of course in mind that it's most likely a small but very vocal minority that dictates the general perception.
- Analemma_ 7y ago
  > The context here is obviously tech companies and media That's not obvious to me at all. The parent said "Where we seem to find ourselves today..." which pretty clearly implies a universalist statement, and one that happens to be dead wrong.
weberc2 7y ago
The opposite of progressive intolerance is not intolerance toward progressives. One can (and should) object to both.
core-questions 7y ago
Probably, but what if we both got something that improved our quality of life? I don't want to hear preaching any more than you do. Wouldn't we all get along with our coworkers better if there was less of this in general?
shard972 7y ago
Oh yea the cultural influence of the oil companies, it's so annoying how BP culture just makes it's way to the rest of civil society /s If you can't see how the tech/media industry have a larger influence over the general culture then I don't know what to say.

archi42 7y ago

I meant middle ground as in "you can talk about it, but you're neither forced to nor is it banned". Also, there used to be a political spectrum and not just "progressive" and "conservative": This is something completely different than left/right - a right-wing person can easily be a progressive about his right views, while a left-wing person can be conservative [or even reactionary] about his left views. [Edit: Note, I'm a non-native speaker: Maybe this differentiation is different between English than in German?]

sokoloff 7y ago
Your English appears to be excellent and your original point seemed quite clear to me. @core-question's reply under yours wasn't an indication that yours was unclear; it was just taking the conversation in a slightly different direction (which is normal).

zucker42 7y ago

I think you're wrong that this affects conservatives significantly more than other groups (and maybe that betrays your personal bias). What is true is that people who are beliefs much are out of far outside the norm for their workplace are discouraged. For example, if you're someone who believes that profit is theft, and you make that clear during work, it will probably have negative effects for you. Whether "conservatives" are the victim of this depends on their workplace and just what views they espouse.

core-questions 7y ago
Not a conservative, more of a third positionist myself. Even in places where conservatives are comfortable, I've still got opinions they'd hate. So I shut up.