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Ok, I think I need an "out of the loop" explanation. I've spent the last 10-15min reading this page and linked pages and I'm still hopelessly confused. All I k

Ok, I think I need an "out of the loop" explanation. I've spent the last 10-15min reading this page and linked pages and I'm still hopelessly confused. All I know is it has something to do with Monica questioning some new CoC changes (pronoun-related) and then being fired for "violating" the CoC before it was even ratified. It's very unclear to me what everyone's positions on this issue were as it seems that Monica was asking about using gender neutral pronouns instead of what people preferred to be called by and that was an issue for SE? Like I said, I'm very confused. I look forward to someone explaining what is going on because I can't make heads or tails of it.

forgottenpass 7y ago
>All I know is it has something to do with Monica questioning some new CoC changes (pronoun-related) and then being fired for "violating" the CoC before it was even ratified. Pretty close. Monica blogged a timeline if you want even more reading. https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2019/10/05/stack-overflow-fiasco-timeline.html https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2019/10/05/stack-overflow-fias... And then these might be better entrypoints to what followed https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/334248/an-update-to-our-community-and-an-apology https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/334248/an-update-to... https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/333965/firing-mods-and-forced-relicensing-is-stack-exchange-still-interested-in-cooper https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/333965/firing-mods-... >It's very unclear to me what everyone's positions on this issue Most people seem to care more about how StackExchange handled it and what it means for the future of contributing to SE sites. The way SE got rid of her, and the subsequent damage control has been a dumpster fire. They're prepping to sell the company, and the shit communication skills are probably a deliberate not-so-subtle "fuck off" to any volunteers that have become more ingrained into the community than the free frontline staff SE wants.
- joshstrange 7y ago
  Thank you, that timeline was VERY helpful and I think now have a better grasp. It makes sense why I was so confused as a number of the actors (SE-staff mainly) in this acted in a way that defies logic (for me).
- m-p-3 7y ago
  That's frustrating to see how they treat their volunteers, which are IMO the lifeblood of SE. If they go away, SE is nothing else than an archive of Q&A, which will crumble away over time.

forgottenpass 7y ago

>All I know is it has something to do with Monica questioning some new CoC changes (pronoun-related) and then being fired for "violating" the CoC before it was even ratified. Pretty close. Monica blogged a timeline if you want even more reading. https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2019/10/05/stack-overflow-fiasco-timeline.html https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2019/10/05/stack-overflow-fias... And then these might be better entrypoints to what followed https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/334248/an-update-to-our-community-and-an-apology https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/334248/an-update-to... https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/333965/firing-mods-and-forced-relicensing-is-stack-exchange-still-interested-in-cooper https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/333965/firing-mods-... >It's very unclear to me what everyone's positions on this issue Most people seem to care more about how StackExchange handled it and what it means for the future of contributing to SE sites. The way SE got rid of her, and the subsequent damage control has been a dumpster fire. They're prepping to sell the company, and the shit communication skills are probably a deliberate not-so-subtle "fuck off" to any volunteers that have become more ingrained into the community than the free frontline staff SE wants.

joshstrange 7y ago
Thank you, that timeline was VERY helpful and I think now have a better grasp. It makes sense why I was so confused as a number of the actors (SE-staff mainly) in this acted in a way that defies logic (for me).
m-p-3 7y ago
That's frustrating to see how they treat their volunteers, which are IMO the lifeblood of SE. If they go away, SE is nothing else than an archive of Q&A, which will crumble away over time.