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Seems like an abnormally high proportion. Hopefully it's just because of a small sample size and not indicative of a Catholic church level cover-up in our law e

Seems like an abnormally high proportion. Hopefully it's just because of a small sample size and not indicative of a Catholic church level cover-up in our law enforcement circles.

trhway 7y ago
You probably missed all those East Bay cops across several cities serving and protecting in a very specific way that underage prostitute. Statistic wise they seem to have beaten the Church, and the most of those cops are still cops there, in particular because there were "insufficient evidence that they knew that the girl was under 18" as were concluded by the judge in a dismissed case against one of the officers.
- vageli 7y ago
  Can you link to a source? As I understand it, lack of knowledge of age is not a defense against statutory rape.
  - magduf 7y ago
    Laws are frequently different for cops.
  - trhway 7y ago
    Except for cops as the other commenter noted. https://reason.com/2017/10/13/cases-dropped-oakland-cops-dropped/ https://reason.com/2017/10/13/cases-dropped-oakland-cops-dro... "Judge Jon Rolefson dismissed charges against former Contra Costa County Sheriff's Deputy Ricardo Perez [...] Perez was charged with felony unlawful sex with a minor, felony oral copulation with a minor, and two misdemeanor counts of engaging in lewd conduct. But Rolefson decided there was insufficient evidence Perez knew that Guap was under age 18. "
- reaperducer 7y ago
  Statistic wise they seem to have beaten the Church Not very hard, since the chances of a child being abused by a priest are incredibly small. I saw a chart of it from a .gov web site a couple of years ago, and it had public school teachers at 5x the rate of priests. The reason the Church thing is a big scandal isn't because of the frequency, it's because of the cover-ups, and because priests are supposed to be at the top of the list of people that children can trust.
  - isoa 7y ago
    If that’s true, that’s one of the most cynical-inducing facts. If the abuse of children by priests is within expected ranges, and dwarfs other professions, then wow that’s depressing. Also I recall this story, so hoping your statistics are off- https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/03/20/catholic-church-scandal-priest-abuse-illinois/3223552002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/03/20/cathol...
Shivetya 7y ago
the cover up in public education is where the real dirt hides but one would suppose the best place to hide is within any government agency, especially those given access. it all just comes down to that the walls of anonymity are coming down and the privacy we are so afraid will be taken away by some corporation was long lost to the government who valued it even less
skim_milk 7y ago
It is an abnormally high proportion because the Three Letters agencies have bare-minimum budgets and have to go after the highest value targets, ignoring low value criminals (abusers and people in power being most valuable) It takes $X million to collect evidence, hire a prosecutor, take time up in court AND they still have to balance the budget by going after different kinds of criminals so the agency looks like it's doing something to the general public. So no, it's not a stupid conspiracy. Pay your taxes and vote for representatives that will increase funding!

Seems like an abnormally high proportion. Hopefully it's just because of a small sample size and not indicative of a Catholic church level cover-up in our law enforcement circles.

trhway 7y ago

You probably missed all those East Bay cops across several cities serving and protecting in a very specific way that underage prostitute. Statistic wise they seem to have beaten the Church, and the most of those cops are still cops there, in particular because there were "insufficient evidence that they knew that the girl was under 18" as were concluded by the judge in a dismissed case against one of the officers.

vageli 7y ago
Can you link to a source? As I understand it, lack of knowledge of age is not a defense against statutory rape.
- magduf 7y ago
  Laws are frequently different for cops.
- trhway 7y ago
  Except for cops as the other commenter noted. https://reason.com/2017/10/13/cases-dropped-oakland-cops-dropped/ https://reason.com/2017/10/13/cases-dropped-oakland-cops-dro... "Judge Jon Rolefson dismissed charges against former Contra Costa County Sheriff's Deputy Ricardo Perez [...] Perez was charged with felony unlawful sex with a minor, felony oral copulation with a minor, and two misdemeanor counts of engaging in lewd conduct. But Rolefson decided there was insufficient evidence Perez knew that Guap was under age 18. "
reaperducer 7y ago
Statistic wise they seem to have beaten the Church Not very hard, since the chances of a child being abused by a priest are incredibly small. I saw a chart of it from a .gov web site a couple of years ago, and it had public school teachers at 5x the rate of priests. The reason the Church thing is a big scandal isn't because of the frequency, it's because of the cover-ups, and because priests are supposed to be at the top of the list of people that children can trust.
- isoa 7y ago
  If that’s true, that’s one of the most cynical-inducing facts. If the abuse of children by priests is within expected ranges, and dwarfs other professions, then wow that’s depressing. Also I recall this story, so hoping your statistics are off- https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/03/20/catholic-church-scandal-priest-abuse-illinois/3223552002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/03/20/cathol...

Shivetya 7y ago

the cover up in public education is where the real dirt hides but one would suppose the best place to hide is within any government agency, especially those given access. it all just comes down to that the walls of anonymity are coming down and the privacy we are so afraid will be taken away by some corporation was long lost to the government who valued it even less

skim_milk 7y ago

It is an abnormally high proportion because the Three Letters agencies have bare-minimum budgets and have to go after the highest value targets, ignoring low value criminals (abusers and people in power being most valuable) It takes $X million to collect evidence, hire a prosecutor, take time up in court AND they still have to balance the budget by going after different kinds of criminals so the agency looks like it's doing something to the general public. So no, it's not a stupid conspiracy. Pay your taxes and vote for representatives that will increase funding!