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Great comment. One word: religion.

chance_state 7y ago
Don't you think people are naturally more private about sex though? I would be curious how people behaved wrt sex before the modern repressive religions came along.
- rm_-rf_slash 7y ago
  >I would be curious how people behaved wrt sex before the modern repressive religions came along. My impression is it has less to do with religion itself but rather the culture. China under the CCP is far from a religious culture, but they’ve banned porn for decades. >Don’t you think people are naturally more private about sex though? The first rule of Fuck Club: don’t talk about Fuck Club.
- dx87 7y ago
  I had to read a book about a tribe in the pacific islands, and they were more open about sex, but they still had some rules. For example, having multiple partners was considered immature behavior that is only acceptable for teenagers. Once the villagers got older, it was expected that they would get "married" and try to raise a family, but there was nothing forcing them to stay together. If they fell out of love, one would move out. As long as they stayed monogomous, it didn't matter how long they were in a relationship.
  - iguy 7y ago
    How did their food supply work? Very crudely, my understanding is that places where food meant plowing (i.e. heavy work) almost always had a strong marriage tradition. While places where growing food was light work quite often did not -- basically places where it was possible for a woman to raise children on her own labor. (Not very sure about non-farming people.)
    - dx87 7y ago
      IIRC, the men would go fishing or diving for seafood, and the women would mainly stay at home fixing things like fishing nets, preparing food, or gathering fruit. Most of the child rearing was done by female teenagers instead of adults.
Scapeghost 7y ago
I'd distill that further down: Control. This situation is probably the extreme form of instinctive control over mating rights. By denying potential competitors' access to mates, we hope to increase ours.
cabaalis 7y ago
Not religion. Augustine of Hippo.
papito 7y ago
Almost all "religious" rules are made by men, with others blindly following them. This makes you more pious and "religious", if you do. Did these people actually read the Bible? "So the two daughters get their farther drunk on wine, rape him, and have his children". Then the Bible moves on to the next tale, like "well, yeah, THAT just happened".
- tobylane 7y ago
  I’m still surprised how much art is made of Lot and his daughters. Much of it is great, if it wasn’t for the subject and the burning towns in the background I’d buy a print or two.
- Scapeghost 7y ago
  It all comes back to control. The leaders of religious communities/countries indulge in all sorts of hanky panky, so even they don't buy their own BS. Or see the recent scandal of Jeffrey Epstein and his sex trafficking for first world elites, or Harvey Weinstein and Hollywood's abusive underbelly. Or, closer to the topic here, the allegations of pedophilia involving UK's cream of the crop.
  - papito 7y ago
    Yes, and that's why I do not recognize the institution of church. Too many times it's just a grifting operation stiffing the chumps, and sometimes a hide-away for boy-loving pervs. Because who would ever question a priest?

Don't you think people are naturally more private about sex though? I would be curious how people behaved wrt sex before the modern repressive religions came along.

rm_-rf_slash 7y ago
>I would be curious how people behaved wrt sex before the modern repressive religions came along. My impression is it has less to do with religion itself but rather the culture. China under the CCP is far from a religious culture, but they’ve banned porn for decades. >Don’t you think people are naturally more private about sex though? The first rule of Fuck Club: don’t talk about Fuck Club.
dx87 7y ago
I had to read a book about a tribe in the pacific islands, and they were more open about sex, but they still had some rules. For example, having multiple partners was considered immature behavior that is only acceptable for teenagers. Once the villagers got older, it was expected that they would get "married" and try to raise a family, but there was nothing forcing them to stay together. If they fell out of love, one would move out. As long as they stayed monogomous, it didn't matter how long they were in a relationship.
- iguy 7y ago
  How did their food supply work? Very crudely, my understanding is that places where food meant plowing (i.e. heavy work) almost always had a strong marriage tradition. While places where growing food was light work quite often did not -- basically places where it was possible for a woman to raise children on her own labor. (Not very sure about non-farming people.)
  - dx87 7y ago
    IIRC, the men would go fishing or diving for seafood, and the women would mainly stay at home fixing things like fishing nets, preparing food, or gathering fruit. Most of the child rearing was done by female teenagers instead of adults.

Scapeghost 7y ago

I'd distill that further down: Control. This situation is probably the extreme form of instinctive control over mating rights. By denying potential competitors' access to mates, we hope to increase ours.

cabaalis 7y ago

Not religion. Augustine of Hippo.

papito 7y ago

Almost all "religious" rules are made by men, with others blindly following them. This makes you more pious and "religious", if you do. Did these people actually read the Bible? "So the two daughters get their farther drunk on wine, rape him, and have his children". Then the Bible moves on to the next tale, like "well, yeah, THAT just happened".

tobylane 7y ago
I’m still surprised how much art is made of Lot and his daughters. Much of it is great, if it wasn’t for the subject and the burning towns in the background I’d buy a print or two.
Scapeghost 7y ago
It all comes back to control. The leaders of religious communities/countries indulge in all sorts of hanky panky, so even they don't buy their own BS. Or see the recent scandal of Jeffrey Epstein and his sex trafficking for first world elites, or Harvey Weinstein and Hollywood's abusive underbelly. Or, closer to the topic here, the allegations of pedophilia involving UK's cream of the crop.
- papito 7y ago
  Yes, and that's why I do not recognize the institution of church. Too many times it's just a grifting operation stiffing the chumps, and sometimes a hide-away for boy-loving pervs. Because who would ever question a priest?