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It will just join the graveyard of gimmicky vr/ar motion controllers. Leap motion, Kinect, etc. Those can track precise skeletal gestures too. I think the dif

It will just join the graveyard of gimmicky vr/ar motion controllers. Leap motion, Kinect, etc. Those can track precise skeletal gestures too. I think the differentiation here is low power always on and attached to the phone with high field of view.

landa 7y ago
The Kinect caused a huge wave of innovation. It was a convenient and low-cost source of RGBD data, and many robotics labs got a few when it was released.
- throwaway_bad 7y ago
  I meant that they didn't catch on in the same way say webcams or wireless headphones caught on among consumers. I have personally built stuff with KinectFusion before so I do know how powerful it is.
- 0xffff2 7y ago
  Could you expand on the result of said innovation? Where would I see Kinect driven innovation in everyday life?
  - throwaway_bad 7y ago
    A lot of early 3d scanners were just repurposed Kinects: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KOUSSlKUJ-A https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KOUSSlKUJ-A
  - cushychicken 7y ago
    Much of that technology was improved and miniaturized, and incorporated into the Apple Face ID bar at the top of the iPhone X.
    - jdietrich 7y ago
      Apple bought PrimeSense (the company behind Kinect) for $360m. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PrimeSense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PrimeSense
    - Judgmentality 7y ago
      Personally I feel FaceID is a step backwards from fingerprint readers. It doesn't work as often for me (facial hair, hat, lighting, hoodie, and sometimes it's just finnicky) and there are privacy concerns. The fingerprint reader isn't perfect, but for me it was better. I can touch it while pulling the phone out of my pocket and it's unlocked when I open it. I'm frustrated with Google's choice to copy Apple and remove this feature from the Pixel 4. It's literally the only reason I'm not buying one.
      - machello13 7y ago
        What privacy concerns are there?
        Judgmentality 7y ago
        I guess it depends on whether or not you consider a 3D scan of your face personal data. As face-tracking becomes more prevalent, I'd say this is the worst thing you could voluntarily give away. Your face can be scanned just walking through a crowd in public, a fingerprint is only usable when you physically touch something (and the digital version is always prompted so you can't be identified in a crowd unexpectedly like you can with a face).
        machello13 7y ago
        I would agree facial recognition in a general sense has privacy implications — but in the case of Face ID I think the implementation is sufficiently secure.
        Judgmentality 7y ago
        I agree Apple is one of the few companies that takes security seriously. That said, it only takes one hack/leak to compromise your biometric data forever. You can't change it as easily as a password. And you're voluntarily giving it up...for what? A worse unlocking experience? If it weren't for the novelty factor I am confident most people would not use it - probably why the hardware is removing it as an option. Also it's no secret those companies want the extra data for training better models and this is a "free" way to get really high quality data. As far as things to bemoan in tech this is pretty low on the totem pole. I'm just annoyed because I wanted to buy a new phone and can't find one that has what I want at any price. EDIT: I saw this article seconds after finishing this comment, which seems ironic. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50080586 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50080586
  - mappu 7y ago
    I know of MSc and PhD work to use the Kinect as a low-cost alignment system for radiotherapy patients.
MildlySerious 7y ago
Leap killed itself by shutting itself in with proprietary drivers and staying away from any sort of modding. I ordered one the week it came out, went through quite a bit to get it through customs (for whatever reason) and paid almost twice the retail price because of it, just to be disappointed after the initial hype. Years later I thought I could use it for some stuff with the Pi, just to be disappointed again, as nothing had changed. Since then I have been looking for replacements and I am really hoping for Soli not to take the same route.

landa 7y ago

The Kinect caused a huge wave of innovation. It was a convenient and low-cost source of RGBD data, and many robotics labs got a few when it was released.

throwaway_bad 7y ago
I meant that they didn't catch on in the same way say webcams or wireless headphones caught on among consumers. I have personally built stuff with KinectFusion before so I do know how powerful it is.
0xffff2 7y ago
Could you expand on the result of said innovation? Where would I see Kinect driven innovation in everyday life?
- throwaway_bad 7y ago
  A lot of early 3d scanners were just repurposed Kinects: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KOUSSlKUJ-A https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KOUSSlKUJ-A
- cushychicken 7y ago
  Much of that technology was improved and miniaturized, and incorporated into the Apple Face ID bar at the top of the iPhone X.
  - jdietrich 7y ago
    Apple bought PrimeSense (the company behind Kinect) for $360m. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PrimeSense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PrimeSense
  - Judgmentality 7y ago
    Personally I feel FaceID is a step backwards from fingerprint readers. It doesn't work as often for me (facial hair, hat, lighting, hoodie, and sometimes it's just finnicky) and there are privacy concerns. The fingerprint reader isn't perfect, but for me it was better. I can touch it while pulling the phone out of my pocket and it's unlocked when I open it. I'm frustrated with Google's choice to copy Apple and remove this feature from the Pixel 4. It's literally the only reason I'm not buying one.
    - machello13 7y ago
      What privacy concerns are there?
      - Judgmentality 7y ago
        I guess it depends on whether or not you consider a 3D scan of your face personal data. As face-tracking becomes more prevalent, I'd say this is the worst thing you could voluntarily give away. Your face can be scanned just walking through a crowd in public, a fingerprint is only usable when you physically touch something (and the digital version is always prompted so you can't be identified in a crowd unexpectedly like you can with a face).
        machello13 7y ago
        I would agree facial recognition in a general sense has privacy implications — but in the case of Face ID I think the implementation is sufficiently secure.
        Judgmentality 7y ago
        I agree Apple is one of the few companies that takes security seriously. That said, it only takes one hack/leak to compromise your biometric data forever. You can't change it as easily as a password. And you're voluntarily giving it up...for what? A worse unlocking experience? If it weren't for the novelty factor I am confident most people would not use it - probably why the hardware is removing it as an option. Also it's no secret those companies want the extra data for training better models and this is a "free" way to get really high quality data. As far as things to bemoan in tech this is pretty low on the totem pole. I'm just annoyed because I wanted to buy a new phone and can't find one that has what I want at any price. EDIT: I saw this article seconds after finishing this comment, which seems ironic. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50080586 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50080586
- mappu 7y ago
  I know of MSc and PhD work to use the Kinect as a low-cost alignment system for radiotherapy patients.

MildlySerious 7y ago

Leap killed itself by shutting itself in with proprietary drivers and staying away from any sort of modding. I ordered one the week it came out, went through quite a bit to get it through customs (for whatever reason) and paid almost twice the retail price because of it, just to be disappointed after the initial hype. Years later I thought I could use it for some stuff with the Pi, just to be disappointed again, as nothing had changed. Since then I have been looking for replacements and I am really hoping for Soli not to take the same route.