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Guillotine is very effective against headache...

mikelyons 7y ago
Comments like this are effective against growing your understanding of reality. Unless I misunderstood and you were meaning to say that psychedelic experiences can cause you to face your own death and have glimpses of enlightenment, then yes, but the metaphor will be lost on most people.
- avodonosov 7y ago
  You should ease up on mushrooms. To come up with such an interpretation... I mean literally, guillotine heals headache 100%, but that's not a sufficient reason to practice it. The same with psychedelic mushrooms, even if they work against smoking, it's not necceserily a sufficient reason to use them.
  - RandomTisk 7y ago
    I have a challenge for you: Without google or other external sources, what do YOU think are the top 2 or 3 downsides of using them? Do you even know?
    - avodonosov 7y ago
      I know cases of very tragic results of psychedelic use. So if you think to enlight me on childish bullshit like "the war on drugs is a conspiracy against us, in reality, drugs are very good for people" - if I was some 25 years younger I could consider that, but not today. If you believe there are no downsides, FYI, around a century ago heroin was marketed as a "no downsides" cough suppressant. With time (very soon) the downsides became apparent. This may happen to the psychedelic you now consider safe. The idea to alter one's mind with substances to have more pleasant / interesting / euphoric / hallucinogenic experience is vicious in principle, even if there were no other downsides.
      - RandomTisk 7y ago
        Let's be careful here, and use precise words. Yes, they are powerful, and they are to be feared, but they are not what you think they are. They're on Schedule 1 because the people banning them had an extremely narrow view on what they were capable of, as you seem to, about what they're good for. Schedule 1 says something to effect of "No medicinal value". That is a lie, as much as 2+2=5. It's becoming increasingly clear through (slow) research and many anecdotal reports that the knee-jerk reaction most people (including myself) had to natural mushrooms is just flat out wrong. Every month we get more results about people having the worst parts of their lives changed, almost miraculously, almost as if God created a substance for healing and called it good, and for Humans to use. And then Luddites come along "drug bad always, God wrong about creating and calling it good, man ban drug it hurt man once in some circumstance" and the same Luddites leave a swath of suffering in their ignorant wake.
        Noos 7y ago
        its precisely because of all those glowing reports i distrust the hell out of them. We have a long history and data on how drugs in general can treat problems, but often come with side effects and other issues when they work, often serious. And sometimes per person they just don't; finding the correct drug treatment for a person is a very hard. When i hear all this about LSD as a perfect miracle drug, I get VERY suspicious.
        RandomTisk 7y ago
        I can agree and sympathize with that, I think what happened was during the early days of LSD, there a strong counterculture that stemmed out of some very dark individuals like Aleister Crowley. Guys like Timothy Leary used Crowley almost like a symbol or standard, and it spawned a massive backlash against LSD and psilocybin. A lot of what was said about LSD and Psilocybin was true about Crowley and Leary, but they were just two very flawed people who took a lot of good medical research down with them. These drugs are mysterious and powerful and some of the most irresponsible and foolish and loudest people on the planet got their hands on them. But there is a lot of promising research that suggests the baby shouldn't have be thrown out like it was in the 70's.
  - mikelyons 7y ago
    How do you know that decapitation "heals" a headache? That sounds clever ... you're not bad or wrong for this, it's extremely common and I am guilty of it myself. But I'm pointing to the fact that you don't know that. "even if they work against smoking, it's not necceserily (sic) a sufficient reason to use them" This I can respect and agree with ^
    - avodonosov 7y ago
      I suppose the entity capable of perceiving headache stops to exist. Of course noone can be 100% sure, the same as with existence if reality outside of ones mind. We just suppose.
inscionent 7y ago
Glibness is very effective against evaluating new facts...

Comments like this are effective against growing your understanding of reality. Unless I misunderstood and you were meaning to say that psychedelic experiences can cause you to face your own death and have glimpses of enlightenment, then yes, but the metaphor will be lost on most people.

avodonosov 7y ago
You should ease up on mushrooms. To come up with such an interpretation... I mean literally, guillotine heals headache 100%, but that's not a sufficient reason to practice it. The same with psychedelic mushrooms, even if they work against smoking, it's not necceserily a sufficient reason to use them.
- RandomTisk 7y ago
  I have a challenge for you: Without google or other external sources, what do YOU think are the top 2 or 3 downsides of using them? Do you even know?
  - avodonosov 7y ago
    I know cases of very tragic results of psychedelic use. So if you think to enlight me on childish bullshit like "the war on drugs is a conspiracy against us, in reality, drugs are very good for people" - if I was some 25 years younger I could consider that, but not today. If you believe there are no downsides, FYI, around a century ago heroin was marketed as a "no downsides" cough suppressant. With time (very soon) the downsides became apparent. This may happen to the psychedelic you now consider safe. The idea to alter one's mind with substances to have more pleasant / interesting / euphoric / hallucinogenic experience is vicious in principle, even if there were no other downsides.
    - RandomTisk 7y ago
      Let's be careful here, and use precise words. Yes, they are powerful, and they are to be feared, but they are not what you think they are. They're on Schedule 1 because the people banning them had an extremely narrow view on what they were capable of, as you seem to, about what they're good for. Schedule 1 says something to effect of "No medicinal value". That is a lie, as much as 2+2=5. It's becoming increasingly clear through (slow) research and many anecdotal reports that the knee-jerk reaction most people (including myself) had to natural mushrooms is just flat out wrong. Every month we get more results about people having the worst parts of their lives changed, almost miraculously, almost as if God created a substance for healing and called it good, and for Humans to use. And then Luddites come along "drug bad always, God wrong about creating and calling it good, man ban drug it hurt man once in some circumstance" and the same Luddites leave a swath of suffering in their ignorant wake.
      - Noos 7y ago
        its precisely because of all those glowing reports i distrust the hell out of them. We have a long history and data on how drugs in general can treat problems, but often come with side effects and other issues when they work, often serious. And sometimes per person they just don't; finding the correct drug treatment for a person is a very hard. When i hear all this about LSD as a perfect miracle drug, I get VERY suspicious.
        RandomTisk 7y ago
        I can agree and sympathize with that, I think what happened was during the early days of LSD, there a strong counterculture that stemmed out of some very dark individuals like Aleister Crowley. Guys like Timothy Leary used Crowley almost like a symbol or standard, and it spawned a massive backlash against LSD and psilocybin. A lot of what was said about LSD and Psilocybin was true about Crowley and Leary, but they were just two very flawed people who took a lot of good medical research down with them. These drugs are mysterious and powerful and some of the most irresponsible and foolish and loudest people on the planet got their hands on them. But there is a lot of promising research that suggests the baby shouldn't have be thrown out like it was in the 70's.
- mikelyons 7y ago
  How do you know that decapitation "heals" a headache? That sounds clever ... you're not bad or wrong for this, it's extremely common and I am guilty of it myself. But I'm pointing to the fact that you don't know that. "even if they work against smoking, it's not necceserily (sic) a sufficient reason to use them" This I can respect and agree with ^
  - avodonosov 7y ago
    I suppose the entity capable of perceiving headache stops to exist. Of course noone can be 100% sure, the same as with existence if reality outside of ones mind. We just suppose.

inscionent 7y ago

Glibness is very effective against evaluating new facts...