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> I now see CNN as a media outlet largely serving their interest groups. But see RT, Project Veritas, etc., as "second-order propaganda" serving their respectiv
by KirinDave 7y ago
> I now see CNN as a media outlet largely serving their interest groups. But see RT, Project Veritas, etc., as "second-order propaganda" serving their respective interest groups by selectively "exposing" targets for their political utility, not because they care about truth, it's half-truth, half-falsehoold. Meanwhile, the accusations of the mainstream media are made against them, not because they care about truth, but because their existence damaged the mainstream's own interest. It's all biases vs. biases all the way down.
Wait. "Second-order" propaganda? What's "second order" about it? This is directly how these machines work. The only remotely novel thing about Project Veritas is that it has absolutely no news credibility at all, whereas CNN, Fox and RT can and do occasionally support real journalism as well.
> Since most video footage "exposure" themselves are propaganda or hoaxes.
I've yet to see a deep fake that holds up under scrutiny at high definition. It may be a matter of time, but I'm not sure we are "there" yet.
Its also worth noting that there is actually a cool use of blockchain-like technologies here. Until such time as deep fakes can be done perfectly in real time, a certification of video being taken close to the time of an event is still a very good indicator, and pubic blockchains are one of the best ways to do this. We don't even need proof of work to make this service! Outside of a specific time horizon (which you can tune), the trust is in the historical consensus which can't realistically be altered!
- segfaultbuserr 7y ago> Wait. "Second-order" propaganda? What's "second order" about it? This is directly how these machines work. The only remotely novel thing about Project Veritas is that it has absolutely no news credibility at all, whereas CNN, Fox and RT can and do occasionally support real journalism as well. I used "second-order propaganda" as a catch-all term for propagandists that say "Everything you know is wrong, [exposing some cases of propaganda, can be real], see, these are propaganda and manipulations! But don't worry, just listen to my propaganda." I don't imply that there is anything new here. > I've yet to see a deep fake that holds up under scrutiny at high definition. It may be a matter of time, but I'm not sure we are "there" yet. I was describing a hypothetical scenario in the future. > Its also worth noting that there is actually a cool use of blockchain-like technologies here. Until such time as deep fakes can be done perfectly in real time, a certification of video being taken close to the time of an event is still a very good indicator, and pubic blockchains are one of the best ways to do this. Upvote. You proposed an interesting question: "how do we certify that a video is real in the future?", with a solution. If you have time, please write a blog post.