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For the people commenting about leakers and things being secret in the past, I’ll bet money the government leaked this themselves.

by wil421 7y ago

jsight 7y ago
Yeah, that definitely happens from time to time. Here is a pretty famous case from recent history: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-24/trump-assails-fake-news-blasts-media-use-of-anonymous-sources https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-24/trump-ass...
Ididntdothis 7y ago
Don’t forget that “the government “ consists of many departments full of people with conflicting interests. What one part may view as useful could be viewed by another part as treason.
mtgx 7y ago
One surefire ways to know if this is true or not is to see if the government makes a big deal out of "going after the leakers" and putting them in prison for 10+ years, while telling us how the leak hurt national security and undercover operatives.
notlukesky 7y ago
The more important problem is that we don’t even know if this attack: 1) ever occurred 2) if it did occur, was it even the US 3) if it was even an attack, was it in fact a cyberattack at all (you would want to protect actual human assets who do physical damage in say industrial control systems as an insider job by saying it was a remote attack using some sort of zero day attack) Anonymous government sources, especially in cyber security, have a track record of persistent lying Remember the China chip hacking story by Bloomberg built on anonymous government sources. The alleged fake news was never retracted - even though it was technically not a possible attack if you know how chips are made. (There are chips that had arguably deliberately installed flaws - the Intel chip with the OTP generator that was trivially crackable and the RSA keyfob with the default NSA backdoor). https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-h... https://siliconangle.com/2018/10/22/apple-amazon-super-micro-call-bloomberg-retract-china-spy-chip-story/ https://siliconangle.com/2018/10/22/apple-amazon-super-micro... https://www.wired.com/2013/09/rsa-advisory-nsa-algorithm/ https://www.wired.com/2013/09/rsa-advisory-nsa-algorithm/
- tgragnato 7y ago
  > 1) ever occurred 2) if it did occur, was it even the US 3) if it was even an attack, was it in fact a cyberattack at all Relevant: U.S. Had Cyberattack Plan if Iran Nuclear Dispute Led to Conflict (2016) [https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/17/world/middleeast/us-had-cyberattack-planned-if-iran-nuclear-negotiations-failed.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/17/world/middleeast/us-had-c...] "Nitro Zeus was part of an effort to assure President Obama that he had alternatives, short of a full-scale war, if Iran lashed out at the United States or its allies in the region." Tens of millions of dollars, thousands of people... That's not secrecy, just plausible deniability.
- deepVoid 7y ago
  The China chip hacking story was an invented story by Bloomberg. Everyone else denied it including Apple as the customer, US government, the supplier of the chip etc. Bloomberg fabricated the story. Ever since, I do not trust Bloomberg as a reliable source of information.

For the people commenting about leakers and things being secret in the past, I’ll bet money the government leaked this themselves.

by wil421 7y ago

For the people commenting about leakers and things being secret in the past, I’ll bet money the government leaked this themselves.

jsight 7y ago

Yeah, that definitely happens from time to time. Here is a pretty famous case from recent history: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-24/trump-assails-fake-news-blasts-media-use-of-anonymous-sources https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-24/trump-ass...

Ididntdothis 7y ago

Don’t forget that “the government “ consists of many departments full of people with conflicting interests. What one part may view as useful could be viewed by another part as treason.

mtgx 7y ago

One surefire ways to know if this is true or not is to see if the government makes a big deal out of "going after the leakers" and putting them in prison for 10+ years, while telling us how the leak hurt national security and undercover operatives.

notlukesky 7y ago

The more important problem is that we don’t even know if this attack: 1) ever occurred 2) if it did occur, was it even the US 3) if it was even an attack, was it in fact a cyberattack at all (you would want to protect actual human assets who do physical damage in say industrial control systems as an insider job by saying it was a remote attack using some sort of zero day attack) Anonymous government sources, especially in cyber security, have a track record of persistent lying Remember the China chip hacking story by Bloomberg built on anonymous government sources. The alleged fake news was never retracted - even though it was technically not a possible attack if you know how chips are made. (There are chips that had arguably deliberately installed flaws - the Intel chip with the OTP generator that was trivially crackable and the RSA keyfob with the default NSA backdoor). https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-h... https://siliconangle.com/2018/10/22/apple-amazon-super-micro-call-bloomberg-retract-china-spy-chip-story/ https://siliconangle.com/2018/10/22/apple-amazon-super-micro... https://www.wired.com/2013/09/rsa-advisory-nsa-algorithm/ https://www.wired.com/2013/09/rsa-advisory-nsa-algorithm/

tgragnato 7y ago
> 1) ever occurred 2) if it did occur, was it even the US 3) if it was even an attack, was it in fact a cyberattack at all Relevant: U.S. Had Cyberattack Plan if Iran Nuclear Dispute Led to Conflict (2016) [https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/17/world/middleeast/us-had-cyberattack-planned-if-iran-nuclear-negotiations-failed.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/17/world/middleeast/us-had-c...] "Nitro Zeus was part of an effort to assure President Obama that he had alternatives, short of a full-scale war, if Iran lashed out at the United States or its allies in the region." Tens of millions of dollars, thousands of people... That's not secrecy, just plausible deniability.
deepVoid 7y ago
The China chip hacking story was an invented story by Bloomberg. Everyone else denied it including Apple as the customer, US government, the supplier of the chip etc. Bloomberg fabricated the story. Ever since, I do not trust Bloomberg as a reliable source of information.