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Do they have a manifesto, demands or plan somewhere? It’s a bit sad to see the youth so pessimistic. Growing up with Star Trek myself I always believed science

Do they have a manifesto, demands or plan somewhere? It’s a bit sad to see the youth so pessimistic. Growing up with Star Trek myself I always believed science would grow faster than human damage.

a_humean 7y ago
They have them here: https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/demands/ https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/demands/
truculent 7y ago
Yes, although I would say their place in the climate movement is more as a unified protest outlet. Their 3 demands[1]: - Tell the truth - Act Now - Beyond Politics [1]: https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/demands/ https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/demands/
happytoexplain 7y ago
FYI, I think you're getting downvoted because the word "pessimistic" often colloquially implies being at least somewhat "wrong" about the topic at hand, though I don't think you were trying to make any such judgement.
- claudeganon 7y ago
  Might also be that Star Trek takes place in a universe where only AFTER massive wars and near extinction does humanity set aside its short-sightedness and cruelty to embrace egalitarianism. Within the Star Trek universe, there is no history of science outpacing human damage. They barely save themselves from the brink.
dragonwriter 7y ago
> It’s a bit sad to see the youth so pessimistic. Growing up with Star Trek I forget if we are one or two destructive global wars behind schedule compared to the original Star Trek timeline, but at any case we have not reached anywhere close to the lows Star Trek predicted we would before we got to the brighter (internally to humanity, most of the time, at least) future that show portrayed, which lows included the near total elimination of human civilization through science slaved to destructive ideals. These kids aren't, compared to that, pessimistic; they are fighting for the possibility to avoid that.
claudeganon 7y ago
https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/demands/ https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/demands/ I see an incredible optimism in believing that power lies with the people and mass movements, instead of indulging fantasies that some solution will be handed down from on high, counter to the interest of wealthy and elite. Not to mention that scientists have already endorsed what they’re doing: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/extinction-rebellion-protests-scientists-climate-change-london-amsterdam-a9154336.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/extinction-rebell... If you actually want a Star Trek future, this is how you get it.
- ramblerman 7y ago
  I could equally argue it's a fantasy to believe that you will curb human greed, and/or bring a player like china to follow your rules. In other words, I am pessimistic about humankind's ability to curb its wants, but optimistic about scientific advancement, inventors of the future, and unknown unknowns. I hope we are both right though.

Do they have a manifesto, demands or plan somewhere? It’s a bit sad to see the youth so pessimistic. Growing up with Star Trek myself I always believed science would grow faster than human damage.

a_humean 7y ago

They have them here: https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/demands/ https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/demands/

truculent 7y ago

Yes, although I would say their place in the climate movement is more as a unified protest outlet. Their 3 demands[1]: - Tell the truth - Act Now - Beyond Politics [1]: https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/demands/ https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/demands/

happytoexplain 7y ago

FYI, I think you're getting downvoted because the word "pessimistic" often colloquially implies being at least somewhat "wrong" about the topic at hand, though I don't think you were trying to make any such judgement.

claudeganon 7y ago
Might also be that Star Trek takes place in a universe where only AFTER massive wars and near extinction does humanity set aside its short-sightedness and cruelty to embrace egalitarianism. Within the Star Trek universe, there is no history of science outpacing human damage. They barely save themselves from the brink.

dragonwriter 7y ago

> It’s a bit sad to see the youth so pessimistic. Growing up with Star Trek I forget if we are one or two destructive global wars behind schedule compared to the original Star Trek timeline, but at any case we have not reached anywhere close to the lows Star Trek predicted we would before we got to the brighter (internally to humanity, most of the time, at least) future that show portrayed, which lows included the near total elimination of human civilization through science slaved to destructive ideals. These kids aren't, compared to that, pessimistic; they are fighting for the possibility to avoid that.

claudeganon 7y ago

https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/demands/ https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/demands/ I see an incredible optimism in believing that power lies with the people and mass movements, instead of indulging fantasies that some solution will be handed down from on high, counter to the interest of wealthy and elite. Not to mention that scientists have already endorsed what they’re doing: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/extinction-rebellion-protests-scientists-climate-change-london-amsterdam-a9154336.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/extinction-rebell... If you actually want a Star Trek future, this is how you get it.

ramblerman 7y ago
I could equally argue it's a fantasy to believe that you will curb human greed, and/or bring a player like china to follow your rules. In other words, I am pessimistic about humankind's ability to curb its wants, but optimistic about scientific advancement, inventors of the future, and unknown unknowns. I hope we are both right though.