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What I said is "status is not a crime." Illegal entry into the Country is a crime, whether you are a citizen or not, its a crime. Nevertheless, these people w

What I said is "status is not a crime." Illegal entry into the Country is a crime, whether you are a citizen or not, its a crime. Nevertheless, these people were not charged with a crime or illegally entering the Country, nor does Immigration Court have jurisdiction over criminal cases. They are currently being held in an Immigration Detention Center and facing removal (deportation), thats civil, not criminal. If they were charged with a crime, they would 1st go to criminal court. It happens all the time, an undocumented person commits a crime (of fraud or moral turpitude), gets charged, found guilty, serves time, then upon release from jail/prison ICE is there to meet them, detain them in a Immigration Detention Center/facility while they face the civil Immigration case.

aidenn0 7y ago
Just because they weren't charged with a crime doesn't mean they weren't arrested for a crime. People get arrested for crimes they are never charged for all the time. [edit] > The occupants were arrested for illegally entering the US without inspection. During processing, records revealed the two adults that had previously been denied access to the US, CBP said on Tuesday. Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50067575 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50067575
- throwaway_law 7y ago
  >People get arrested for crimes they are never charged for all the time. Yes and the point is we don't call those folks "illegals." You responded to my comment, specifically: >This group can't wrap their mind around the fact immigration status isn't a crime. Your pointing to a criminal charge that has nothing to do with my point. Sure citizens and immigrants alike can commit crimes, including illegal boarder crossing, but illegal border crossing has nothing to do with immigration status. Immigration status is itself not a crime.
  - aidenn0 7y ago
    I was responding to the first half of your comment, not the second, specifically: >> By breaking the law, these travellers got sorted into the "criminals" bin and are now treated like shit. > Only its immigration law so its civil not criminal law. [edit] And to respond to your second half, colloquially the word "illegal" is used to refer to civil matters all the time (e.g. illegally parked car). Not all undocumented immigrants are here illegally, but those who would be legally deported if discovered are.
    - throwaway_law 7y ago
      >the word "illegal" is used to refer to civil matters all the time (e.g. illegally parked car) That's referring to a thing not a person. You would not label the owner of that illegally parked vehicle as an "illegal", "illegal car owner", etc... If a person illegally breaches a contract you don't call them a "illegal contractor". The term "illegal" is applied to undocumented immigrants because it fits a narrative. >By breaking the law, these travellers got sorted into the "criminals" bin and are now treated like shit. Going back to your illegally parked car, do we put the owner of that illegally parked car in the criminal bin and treat them like shit. Of course not, that would be ridiculous. Undocumented immigrants should be extended the same courtesy, and even if detained and put into civil removal proceedings they should not be treated as criminals or like shit for that matter. > Not all undocumented immigrants are here illegally, but those who would be legally deported if discovered are. Sorry, I don't know what your trying to say here. Any undocumented immigrant can be detained and subjected to removal/deportation proceedings at anytime...they don't need to commit any crime for this to happen.

aidenn0 7y ago

Just because they weren't charged with a crime doesn't mean they weren't arrested for a crime. People get arrested for crimes they are never charged for all the time. [edit] > The occupants were arrested for illegally entering the US without inspection. During processing, records revealed the two adults that had previously been denied access to the US, CBP said on Tuesday. Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50067575 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50067575

throwaway_law 7y ago
>People get arrested for crimes they are never charged for all the time. Yes and the point is we don't call those folks "illegals." You responded to my comment, specifically: >This group can't wrap their mind around the fact immigration status isn't a crime. Your pointing to a criminal charge that has nothing to do with my point. Sure citizens and immigrants alike can commit crimes, including illegal boarder crossing, but illegal border crossing has nothing to do with immigration status. Immigration status is itself not a crime.
- aidenn0 7y ago
  I was responding to the first half of your comment, not the second, specifically: >> By breaking the law, these travellers got sorted into the "criminals" bin and are now treated like shit. > Only its immigration law so its civil not criminal law. [edit] And to respond to your second half, colloquially the word "illegal" is used to refer to civil matters all the time (e.g. illegally parked car). Not all undocumented immigrants are here illegally, but those who would be legally deported if discovered are.
  - throwaway_law 7y ago
    >the word "illegal" is used to refer to civil matters all the time (e.g. illegally parked car) That's referring to a thing not a person. You would not label the owner of that illegally parked vehicle as an "illegal", "illegal car owner", etc... If a person illegally breaches a contract you don't call them a "illegal contractor". The term "illegal" is applied to undocumented immigrants because it fits a narrative. >By breaking the law, these travellers got sorted into the "criminals" bin and are now treated like shit. Going back to your illegally parked car, do we put the owner of that illegally parked car in the criminal bin and treat them like shit. Of course not, that would be ridiculous. Undocumented immigrants should be extended the same courtesy, and even if detained and put into civil removal proceedings they should not be treated as criminals or like shit for that matter. > Not all undocumented immigrants are here illegally, but those who would be legally deported if discovered are. Sorry, I don't know what your trying to say here. Any undocumented immigrant can be detained and subjected to removal/deportation proceedings at anytime...they don't need to commit any crime for this to happen.