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Justice is a legal concept and by that measure both Assange and Pirate Bay had to be prosecuted. Or am I misunderstanding something?

toxik 7y ago
You are missing entire swaths of information about particularly TPB from Wikileaks. Swedish police basically rushed the process when the US embassy said “fucking shut it down or face sanctions.” There were prosecutorial issues and the trial was a complete farce with one of the judges sitting in some copyright lobby’s board of directors. Absolutely made a mockery of justice and due process. As for Julian Assange, the hearings with the two alleged rape victims DO NOT describe rape. It describes an asshole having sex with star struck women.
- antirapepolice 7y ago
  > As for Julian Assange, the hearings with the two alleged rape victims DO NOT describe rape They do by the Swedish law. > with star struck women. So justice to you means blame the alleged victim? I still prefer the Swedish way, the tribunals, the judges, and all the ceremony of a real justice system to your tribal "white men are always right" rite.
  - tomp 7y ago
    Oh come on. If it was actually about rape, law and protecting women, they would have actually pressed charges, not just dropped the case as soon as he came out of the embassy, and leave him to the Americans.
    - antirapepolice 7y ago
      > they would have actually pressed charges HE ESCAPED SO THAT THEY COULD NOT REACH HIM You can't press charges if you can't notify them. The same thing could be said about U.S., why didn't they press charges? Because he was out of reach. Or, to put it in another way: according to your line of thinking, if he really thought he was innocent, he could have stayed in Sweden and face the trial. He's still alive after all, isn't he? I guess we can say his fear of being deported to U.S. and killed was just paranoia of a paranoid man.
- jevgeni 7y ago
  How am I missing that? Does that information somehow magically make it not a legal matter? If there are procedural violations it does not have any bearing on whether TPB broke the law or not. It only means that TPB owners can revert that particular decision if they are right. Assange - yeah, I'm amazed how people can still revere him. His personality aside, his blocking of information related to Russia or China to be published on Wikileaks is atrocious and pretty telling. But again, that's beside the point. It's kind of weird to me, this whole "sturstruck" angle. When that happened he was no way near a celebrity. Also, why do you have to whitewash it like that? The "it's not rape, he's just an asshole" defense sounds pretty whitewashy to me.
jacobush 7y ago
I agree with toxik below with caveats. [0] Specifically I was referring to how the Minister of Justice just casually called the Police and ordered a raid. This is not just frowned upon in Sweden, it's against the Constitution. [1] [0] The Assange case has the veneer of legality. The Swedish law against statutory rape is actually very strict, stricter than what you might believe. It's just about everything else in the whole sordid affair which is horrible. [1] Yes, Sweden has a constitution, not as neatly cut and well defined as the US one, but it exists. The point is ministers must not push their departments around, but let them follow the law on their own. It's even got it's own name "minister rule". ("Ministerstyre".)
- toxik 7y ago
  Thank you for your corrections, it’s hard to remember exact details on the spot but it’s equally important to not let these gross violations of Swedish sovereignty and due process go unnoticed.

toxik 7y ago

You are missing entire swaths of information about particularly TPB from Wikileaks. Swedish police basically rushed the process when the US embassy said “fucking shut it down or face sanctions.” There were prosecutorial issues and the trial was a complete farce with one of the judges sitting in some copyright lobby’s board of directors. Absolutely made a mockery of justice and due process. As for Julian Assange, the hearings with the two alleged rape victims DO NOT describe rape. It describes an asshole having sex with star struck women.

antirapepolice 7y ago
> As for Julian Assange, the hearings with the two alleged rape victims DO NOT describe rape They do by the Swedish law. > with star struck women. So justice to you means blame the alleged victim? I still prefer the Swedish way, the tribunals, the judges, and all the ceremony of a real justice system to your tribal "white men are always right" rite.
- tomp 7y ago
  Oh come on. If it was actually about rape, law and protecting women, they would have actually pressed charges, not just dropped the case as soon as he came out of the embassy, and leave him to the Americans.
  - antirapepolice 7y ago
    > they would have actually pressed charges HE ESCAPED SO THAT THEY COULD NOT REACH HIM You can't press charges if you can't notify them. The same thing could be said about U.S., why didn't they press charges? Because he was out of reach. Or, to put it in another way: according to your line of thinking, if he really thought he was innocent, he could have stayed in Sweden and face the trial. He's still alive after all, isn't he? I guess we can say his fear of being deported to U.S. and killed was just paranoia of a paranoid man.
jevgeni 7y ago
How am I missing that? Does that information somehow magically make it not a legal matter? If there are procedural violations it does not have any bearing on whether TPB broke the law or not. It only means that TPB owners can revert that particular decision if they are right. Assange - yeah, I'm amazed how people can still revere him. His personality aside, his blocking of information related to Russia or China to be published on Wikileaks is atrocious and pretty telling. But again, that's beside the point. It's kind of weird to me, this whole "sturstruck" angle. When that happened he was no way near a celebrity. Also, why do you have to whitewash it like that? The "it's not rape, he's just an asshole" defense sounds pretty whitewashy to me.

jacobush 7y ago

I agree with toxik below with caveats. [0] Specifically I was referring to how the Minister of Justice just casually called the Police and ordered a raid. This is not just frowned upon in Sweden, it's against the Constitution. [1] [0] The Assange case has the veneer of legality. The Swedish law against statutory rape is actually very strict, stricter than what you might believe. It's just about everything else in the whole sordid affair which is horrible. [1] Yes, Sweden has a constitution, not as neatly cut and well defined as the US one, but it exists. The point is ministers must not push their departments around, but let them follow the law on their own. It's even got it's own name "minister rule". ("Ministerstyre".)

toxik 7y ago
Thank you for your corrections, it’s hard to remember exact details on the spot but it’s equally important to not let these gross violations of Swedish sovereignty and due process go unnoticed.