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> Twitters rules are heavily ideologically driven, for instance misgendering is against their rules You call that ideological, but presumably wouldn’t call Twi

> Twitters rules are heavily ideologically driven, for instance misgendering is against their rules You call that ideological, but presumably wouldn’t call Twitter prohibiting calls for genocide ideological. They’re obviously excessively far apart on a continuum, but I’m curious how you’ve decided where to draw your line? Racial slurs? Calls to murder doctors who perform abortion? Promotion of cannibalism? Incitement of violence against the LGBT community? How have you decided misgendering is ideological and (I’d hope) decided that the others are obviously unacceptable?

ramblerman 7y ago
Discrimination and calls for violence are codified in law and commonly accepted as wrong. Making up your own category, then forcing other people to name you by that category on pain of committing a "verbal assault" is still a pretty contended topic.
- dwb 7y ago
  It might be, but gender is a category that has quite some precedent. I'm willing to bet that you would be at least mildly perturbed by being misgendered. (I'm interpreting "made up category" as "relatively novel category"; all categories are "made up".)
  - TheAdamAndChe 7y ago
    The implication here being that any perterbation or social disagreement should not be allowed on the site. How is that a good thing?
    - peteretep 7y ago
      Can you think of any case _at all_ in which purposefully misgendering someone is anything other than outright harassment against a minority who already has it pretty fucking tough?
      - TheAdamAndChe 7y ago
        Maybe someone else was unaware of the other's desired gender. Maybe they don't accept the idea that people get to choose their own gender. The expression of different cultural norms is not necessarily harassment.
        dwb 7y ago
        People don't get to choose their own gender, they get to choose their own gender expression. Freedom of expression (to some greater extent) is quite popular in most societies. No-one's complaining about good-faith mistakes, but if we could arrange for those mistakes to be very difficult to make then so much the better.
        peteretep 7y ago
        > Maybe someone else was unaware of the other's desired gender Then it wasn’t purposefully doing it, so I’m not sure how it’s relevant to my question > Maybe they don’t accept the idea that Plenty of people don’t accept the idea that men and women should be accepted equally, or that you can’t ban black people from living in your apartment, or that men who have sex with other men need to be put to death. That you’ve drawn an arbitrary line doesn’t privilege your line.
- peteretep 7y ago
  > and commonly accepted as wrong I mean in your country, sure, but let’s not pretend these are universal. Feels like your distinction between ideology and “wrong” is that’s just like, your opinion, man?
funcDropShadow 7y ago
Just last week I have reported a tweet to Twitter which is --- in my opinion --- "a bit" worse than misgendering, but Twitter in its unparalleled wisdom came to the decision, that this is not hate speech. It said: "straight man should be jailed at 18 and take an exam of being a decent human being to get out". Just imagine someone said the same words with "straight man" replaced by "woman", "gay woman", "trans people", "black people" or "jews". There would be an outrage , and that would be the right reaction in my opinion. So, I have some questions about Twitter's rules and about the process that applies them.
- peteretep 7y ago
  > It said: "straight man should be jailed at 18 and take an exam of being a decent human being to get out" No it didn’t

ramblerman 7y ago

Discrimination and calls for violence are codified in law and commonly accepted as wrong. Making up your own category, then forcing other people to name you by that category on pain of committing a "verbal assault" is still a pretty contended topic.

dwb 7y ago
It might be, but gender is a category that has quite some precedent. I'm willing to bet that you would be at least mildly perturbed by being misgendered. (I'm interpreting "made up category" as "relatively novel category"; all categories are "made up".)
- TheAdamAndChe 7y ago
  The implication here being that any perterbation or social disagreement should not be allowed on the site. How is that a good thing?
  - peteretep 7y ago
    Can you think of any case _at all_ in which purposefully misgendering someone is anything other than outright harassment against a minority who already has it pretty fucking tough?
    - TheAdamAndChe 7y ago
      Maybe someone else was unaware of the other's desired gender. Maybe they don't accept the idea that people get to choose their own gender. The expression of different cultural norms is not necessarily harassment.
      - dwb 7y ago
        People don't get to choose their own gender, they get to choose their own gender expression. Freedom of expression (to some greater extent) is quite popular in most societies. No-one's complaining about good-faith mistakes, but if we could arrange for those mistakes to be very difficult to make then so much the better.
      - peteretep 7y ago
        > Maybe someone else was unaware of the other's desired gender Then it wasn’t purposefully doing it, so I’m not sure how it’s relevant to my question > Maybe they don’t accept the idea that Plenty of people don’t accept the idea that men and women should be accepted equally, or that you can’t ban black people from living in your apartment, or that men who have sex with other men need to be put to death. That you’ve drawn an arbitrary line doesn’t privilege your line.
peteretep 7y ago
> and commonly accepted as wrong I mean in your country, sure, but let’s not pretend these are universal. Feels like your distinction between ideology and “wrong” is that’s just like, your opinion, man?

funcDropShadow 7y ago

Just last week I have reported a tweet to Twitter which is --- in my opinion --- "a bit" worse than misgendering, but Twitter in its unparalleled wisdom came to the decision, that this is not hate speech. It said: "straight man should be jailed at 18 and take an exam of being a decent human being to get out". Just imagine someone said the same words with "straight man" replaced by "woman", "gay woman", "trans people", "black people" or "jews". There would be an outrage , and that would be the right reaction in my opinion. So, I have some questions about Twitter's rules and about the process that applies them.

peteretep 7y ago
> It said: "straight man should be jailed at 18 and take an exam of being a decent human being to get out" No it didn’t