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Aren't these orgs pretty independent from each other?

coldtea 7y ago
Supposedly "Independent" orgs play into the same wider networks all the time... Here's an example from an article posted yesterday. While one might not agree with the article's main premise regarding climate change not being real or anthropogenic (I, for one, don't), the mechanism described here is all too common across many areas of science, economics, politics, public policy, etc: "(...) many of the world’s major national academies of science (such as the Royal Society in the U.K., the National Academy of Sciences in the U.S.A and the Australian Academy of Science) persuaded themselves to issue reports giving support to the conclusions of the IPCC. The reports were touted as national assessments that were supposedly independent of the IPCC and of each other, but of necessity were compiled with the assistance of, and in some cases at the behest of, many of the scientists involved in the IPCC international machinations.(...)" That's how one can find and quote N "independent" studies and organizations approving something or verifying another, when, looking carefully there's a single, well funded, or politically well supported, central origin behind all of their "findings", and their "independent verification" is basically a high level re-telling of what was giving to them (with nobody bothering to run the numbers).
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tomp 7y ago
About as much as Sweden is an "independent" country (really just a US puppet, as we've seen in the Assange affair). (edit: Assange, not Snowden)
- jacobush 7y ago
  I meant Norway vs Sweden, but your point is well taken. If you want kowtowing even more overt, there is the Pirate Bay raid. That goes beyond the pale.
  - toxik 7y ago
    That’s when I understood that this idea of justice for all under one rule of law was bunk. It is justice against those who don’t have by those that do have. Interestingly I’m not sure if that drives me further right or left. Neither I guess.
    - jevgeni 7y ago
      Justice is a legal concept and by that measure both Assange and Pirate Bay had to be prosecuted. Or am I misunderstanding something?
      - toxik 7y ago
        You are missing entire swaths of information about particularly TPB from Wikileaks. Swedish police basically rushed the process when the US embassy said “fucking shut it down or face sanctions.” There were prosecutorial issues and the trial was a complete farce with one of the judges sitting in some copyright lobby’s board of directors. Absolutely made a mockery of justice and due process. As for Julian Assange, the hearings with the two alleged rape victims DO NOT describe rape. It describes an asshole having sex with star struck women.
        antirapepolice 7y ago
        > As for Julian Assange, the hearings with the two alleged rape victims DO NOT describe rape They do by the Swedish law. > with star struck women. So justice to you means blame the alleged victim? I still prefer the Swedish way, the tribunals, the judges, and all the ceremony of a real justice system to your tribal "white men are always right" rite.
        tomp 7y ago
        Oh come on. If it was actually about rape, law and protecting women, they would have actually pressed charges, not just dropped the case as soon as he came out of the embassy, and leave him to the Americans.
- walterstucco 7y ago
  What did Sweden do to Assange, except trying to assert that soon to be fugitive named Assange committed the alleged crimes against the woman accusing him of rape?

Supposedly "Independent" orgs play into the same wider networks all the time... Here's an example from an article posted yesterday. While one might not agree with the article's main premise regarding climate change not being real or anthropogenic (I, for one, don't), the mechanism described here is all too common across many areas of science, economics, politics, public policy, etc: "(...) many of the world’s major national academies of science (such as the Royal Society in the U.K., the National Academy of Sciences in the U.S.A and the Australian Academy of Science) persuaded themselves to issue reports giving support to the conclusions of the IPCC. The reports were touted as national assessments that were supposedly independent of the IPCC and of each other, but of necessity were compiled with the assistance of, and in some cases at the behest of, many of the scientists involved in the IPCC international machinations.(...)" That's how one can find and quote N "independent" studies and organizations approving something or verifying another, when, looking carefully there's a single, well funded, or politically well supported, central origin behind all of their "findings", and their "independent verification" is basically a high level re-telling of what was giving to them (with nobody bothering to run the numbers).

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tomp 7y ago

About as much as Sweden is an "independent" country (really just a US puppet, as we've seen in the Assange affair). (edit: Assange, not Snowden)

jacobush 7y ago
I meant Norway vs Sweden, but your point is well taken. If you want kowtowing even more overt, there is the Pirate Bay raid. That goes beyond the pale.
- toxik 7y ago
  That’s when I understood that this idea of justice for all under one rule of law was bunk. It is justice against those who don’t have by those that do have. Interestingly I’m not sure if that drives me further right or left. Neither I guess.
  - jevgeni 7y ago
    Justice is a legal concept and by that measure both Assange and Pirate Bay had to be prosecuted. Or am I misunderstanding something?
    - toxik 7y ago
      You are missing entire swaths of information about particularly TPB from Wikileaks. Swedish police basically rushed the process when the US embassy said “fucking shut it down or face sanctions.” There were prosecutorial issues and the trial was a complete farce with one of the judges sitting in some copyright lobby’s board of directors. Absolutely made a mockery of justice and due process. As for Julian Assange, the hearings with the two alleged rape victims DO NOT describe rape. It describes an asshole having sex with star struck women.
      - antirapepolice 7y ago
        > As for Julian Assange, the hearings with the two alleged rape victims DO NOT describe rape They do by the Swedish law. > with star struck women. So justice to you means blame the alleged victim? I still prefer the Swedish way, the tribunals, the judges, and all the ceremony of a real justice system to your tribal "white men are always right" rite.
        tomp 7y ago
        Oh come on. If it was actually about rape, law and protecting women, they would have actually pressed charges, not just dropped the case as soon as he came out of the embassy, and leave him to the Americans.
walterstucco 7y ago
What did Sweden do to Assange, except trying to assert that soon to be fugitive named Assange committed the alleged crimes against the woman accusing him of rape?