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Pray tell, what sort of playbook is America's destabilizing of multiple democratic governments derived from? What playbook was used to lie to the American peop
by mmjaa 7y ago
Pray tell, what sort of playbook is America's destabilizing of multiple democratic governments derived from? What playbook was used to lie to the American people and commit war crimes in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen?
This perspective that American interference in democratic political processes around the globe is "righteous and justified" must be coming from some book, somewhere.
Which one?
- andreigheorghe 7y agoChanging the subject seems to be a common tactic when you've run out of good faith arguments.
- mmjaa 7y agoThe subject is "oppressive regimes which negatively impact the politics of other countries for their own gain" - and the USA is definitely on-topic in that regard. Selective outrage over political machinations that don't originate from within your own political in-group is also a common tactic - when you've run out of good faith, arguments or otherwise ..
- andreigheorghe 7y agoNope, the subject is "Twitter controlling the discourse is different than the Russian government controlling the discourse", nothing to do with what you're trying to deflect to. Try to focus on that.
- mmjaa 7y agoTwitter, an American company, attempts to control the discourse - just as most other American media companies attempt to control the discourse, in order to deflect from attention on American's gargantuan list of war crimes and crimes against humanity. Twitter is just one in a long line of goose-stepping corporations doing the bidding of the military-industrial-pharmaceutical complex which stands to profit greatly from its efforts ..
- andreigheorghe 7y agoThat's a load of rubbish that you've either made up, or swallowed without thinking.
- mmjaa 7y agoIts the truth. You are being distracted by scary orange puppets and useless news, while the armed forces of the 5-eyes nations have been doing their best to get World War 3 started. Pay attention. The war is coming your way whether you like it or not.
- andreigheorghe 7y agoYou just can't stick to the topic, can you? You seem to have specific obsessions that you feel the need to drag into the discussion. Get some fresh air and try behaving like an adult.
- dang 7y agoPlease don't cross into personal attack like this, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. It makes this place worse and, assuming you're right, discredits the truth. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 7y agoPlease don't use HN for flamewar like this. It's tedious and you're breaking the site guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- lowtolerance 7y agoPray tell, who are you quoting the phrase “righteous and justified” from? It must be coming from someone’s perspective, but it certainly didn’t come from me. I’m an American, but I’m not America. I can love my country without condoning war crimes. The one does not contradict the other.
- mmjaa 7y agoLoving your country in spite of its crimes against humanity and REAL war crimes makes you complicit.
- lowtolerance 7y agoComplicit? You’re deluded. When I said that I love my country, did you think I meant my country’s government? That’s a foreign concept to most Americans.
- mmjaa 7y agoYou live protected by the state, and are the principle beneficiary of its actions as a citizen, therefore you are responsible for the actions of the state. You can't have all the rewards and none of the responsibilities - either yours is a representative government of and for the people, or it isn't. Clearly, its not a representative government any more, if you feel you have zero responsibility for its machinations. So, the real delusion is that Americans consider America to be the home of the free and the brave, but really are a nation of slaves and cowards.
- lowtolerance 7y agoDo they not teach critical thinking where you’re from? What a shame. I’m “protected by the state”? How do you figure? Less than six months ago, there was a mass shooting a few miles from my house, in which twelve people were killed in a government facility, by an employee of the government. I spend more than a quarter of my income on healthcare coverage for myself and my family, and that’s before I incur any actual medical costs. Americans die every day because they simply can’t afford to be well. As American citizens, we do have some mechanisms for self-correcting the course our elected leaders have set us on, but most are purely symbolic. The only real means of pressure we have to influence government is our democratic election process, which we now know has been compromised. We have a President who lost the popular vote by millions of votes, due at least in part to a massive flaw in our implementation of a representative democracy is being actively exploited by a foreign power. What’s worse, the domestic beneficiaries of Russia’s massive influence campaign — Republicans — refuse to pass any bill that will grant more funding toward securing our elections. That’s on top of rampant gerrymandering and straight-up election fraud happening all over the country. Democracy is under attack by domestic and foreign entities. How are the people — the majority of whom did not vote for our current leadership — to be held accountable?