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There’s a 20:1 to 30:1 ratio so are you suggesting it’s better for 20-30 working, single parent families? Maybe the government should pay teachers more and pay

There’s a 20:1 to 30:1 ratio so are you suggesting it’s better for 20-30 working, single parent families? Maybe the government should pay teachers more and pay less on defense and we’d have a more productive society.

archi42 7y ago
In an ideal world, routing money from defence anywhere makes for a more productive society (except maybe black jack and hookers - and I am not even sure on that). Of course investing into the future (kids and environment) has the biggest long-term impact and should be top priority.
pentae 7y ago
I think lately western governments (other than the obvious example) have figured out that it's a much better short term play to simply allow immigration to boost the economy rather than longer-than-their-term ideas like education.
- 0xcafecafe 7y ago
  I doubt that is true in the current xenophobic administration.
cobookman 7y ago
I've read multiple studies that the biggest influence in a kids success in school is their parents involvement. Don't make the assumption that throwing more money at teachers will improve our schools. Zuckerberg tried that with little success, as have many before him. I'd rather a focus on ensuring every kid has a healthy meal at the table. A support group who's invested in tbe individual kids success. A family that encourages and supports during the best and worst of times. Arguably the "advantage" well to-do middle class families get.
- streb-lo 7y ago
  A quick peruse of Google scholar’s highly cited journal articles suggests it’s not as clear cut as you suggest: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S004727270600140X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00472...
- emiliobumachar 7y ago
  I don't doubt your main point, but your main example does not support it. How much of Zuckerberg's money trickled down all the way to teachers? From what I remember seeing reported, most of it went to consulting and administration.
- watwut 7y ago
  Parental involvement is not the same thing as "made up obstacles so that parents have hard time in work or additional pointless chores". It is not the same as "mom got forced toward different work track as otherwise kid is in trouble in school". Oddly, parents ability to work is actually beneficial towards kids ability to eat regularly and healthy. Especially for poor famillies.
raducu 7y ago
Maybe people could vote for politicians that prioritize education over defense?
mcv 7y ago
How about those parents who need it, just take their kids to pre-school care, so everybody else can have a normal night's sleep?
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archi42 7y ago

In an ideal world, routing money from defence anywhere makes for a more productive society (except maybe black jack and hookers - and I am not even sure on that). Of course investing into the future (kids and environment) has the biggest long-term impact and should be top priority.

pentae 7y ago

I think lately western governments (other than the obvious example) have figured out that it's a much better short term play to simply allow immigration to boost the economy rather than longer-than-their-term ideas like education.

0xcafecafe 7y ago
I doubt that is true in the current xenophobic administration.

cobookman 7y ago

I've read multiple studies that the biggest influence in a kids success in school is their parents involvement. Don't make the assumption that throwing more money at teachers will improve our schools. Zuckerberg tried that with little success, as have many before him. I'd rather a focus on ensuring every kid has a healthy meal at the table. A support group who's invested in tbe individual kids success. A family that encourages and supports during the best and worst of times. Arguably the "advantage" well to-do middle class families get.

streb-lo 7y ago
A quick peruse of Google scholar’s highly cited journal articles suggests it’s not as clear cut as you suggest: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S004727270600140X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00472...
emiliobumachar 7y ago
I don't doubt your main point, but your main example does not support it. How much of Zuckerberg's money trickled down all the way to teachers? From what I remember seeing reported, most of it went to consulting and administration.
watwut 7y ago
Parental involvement is not the same thing as "made up obstacles so that parents have hard time in work or additional pointless chores". It is not the same as "mom got forced toward different work track as otherwise kid is in trouble in school". Oddly, parents ability to work is actually beneficial towards kids ability to eat regularly and healthy. Especially for poor famillies.

raducu 7y ago

Maybe people could vote for politicians that prioritize education over defense?

mcv 7y ago

How about those parents who need it, just take their kids to pre-school care, so everybody else can have a normal night's sleep?

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