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> They could win everywhere but China, by explicitly choosing to withdraw their products from China. Westerner here. No, I don't want ANY political agenda in g

> They could win everywhere but China, by explicitly choosing to withdraw their products from China. Westerner here. No, I don't want ANY political agenda in game streams. If Blizzard hosts people shouting "Free HK", "Liberate Tibet", "Support Palestine" then I'm going to tune out and don't buy their shit. If the next Dota2 stream I'm watching randomly is interrupted by one team reenacting a school shooting to then shout "restrict gun laws, down with the NRA" then I'll close the window and buy less Blizzard stuff. This just Does Not Belong There. YMMV, but I really, really don't want to see this kind of content in gaming streams and would be turned OFF by it. China is unrelated at this point.

ryacko 7y ago
But in the West it is expected that token political statements are to be allowed and protected. "Free HK" isn't a particularly complex political statement, and it is over a topic which Westerners think is unfairly suppressed. A similar comparison would be if Saudi Arabia had Blizzard ban someone for saying "Don't execute rape victims."
- darklajid 7y ago
  > But in the West it is expected that token political statements are to be allowed and protected. Is that so? I could imagine a huuuge amount of political statements that are illegal in my home country, Germany. Since I was raised there these rules are ingrained in me: "Free Speech" is not a thing (if we compare it to the US) and - that's the important part - I don't DISAGREE with that. > "Free HK" isn't a particularly complex political statement Is it not? I truly, honestly, don't know how complex that is in the end, compared to - say - supporting Texas leving the US, Bavaria leaving Germany, Basque leaving Spain (note I'm not comparing these countries with China at all, I'm just wondering if a separation argument can be simple) > and it is over a topic which Westerners think is unfairly suppressed. I wasn't aware of that > A similar comparison would be if Saudi Arabia had Blizzard ban someone for saying "Don't execute rape victims." No.
  - throwaway8879 7y ago
    I agree with you. I don't play video games, but at this point in my life, I don't even want normal politics, why would I want politics in my entertainment? Probably also why I'm seriously turned off by musicians with political agenda, like Roger Waters.
  - stale2002 7y ago
    > I could imagine a huuuge amount of political statements that are illegal in my home country, Germany. Since I was raised there these rules are ingrained in me: "Free Speech" is not a thing (if we compare it to the US) Well I am sorry for the people who live in that country. > compared to - say - supporting Texas leaving the US I don't think many people would care if someone playing a video game said "Free Texas!". I certainly wouldn't. Go ahead and do that.
    - darklajid 7y ago
      > Well I am sorry for the people who live in that country. And this, Hacker News, is why it's hard to argue on English platforms / on mostly American sites. This poster, in a single reply, just showed extreme arrogance, perceived superiority and complete unawareness of cultural differences - because obviously anything other than what the US constitution says is inferior and needs to be pitied. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  - cthalupa 7y ago
    >Is it not? I truly, honestly, don't know how complex that is in the end, compared to - say - supporting Texas leving the US, Bavaria leaving Germany, Basque leaving Spain The HK protestors aren't attempting to secede in any real quantity. It is not on their list of demands. They want a free Hong Kong, but it being part of China is perfectly acceptable as long as they have that freedom. >Westerner here. No, I don't want ANY political agenda in game streams. Perhaps you should, so you can be more informed on a position before posting opinions such as this. As evidenced by the above, you don't actually know what this protest is about, yet are trying to create comparisons that will mislead others that are uninformed. >No. I was going to write out a lengthier response about what the similarities actually are between the two, but you provided a zero effort response, so I guess I can too: Yes.

ryacko 7y ago

But in the West it is expected that token political statements are to be allowed and protected. "Free HK" isn't a particularly complex political statement, and it is over a topic which Westerners think is unfairly suppressed. A similar comparison would be if Saudi Arabia had Blizzard ban someone for saying "Don't execute rape victims."

darklajid 7y ago
> But in the West it is expected that token political statements are to be allowed and protected. Is that so? I could imagine a huuuge amount of political statements that are illegal in my home country, Germany. Since I was raised there these rules are ingrained in me: "Free Speech" is not a thing (if we compare it to the US) and - that's the important part - I don't DISAGREE with that. > "Free HK" isn't a particularly complex political statement Is it not? I truly, honestly, don't know how complex that is in the end, compared to - say - supporting Texas leving the US, Bavaria leaving Germany, Basque leaving Spain (note I'm not comparing these countries with China at all, I'm just wondering if a separation argument can be simple) > and it is over a topic which Westerners think is unfairly suppressed. I wasn't aware of that > A similar comparison would be if Saudi Arabia had Blizzard ban someone for saying "Don't execute rape victims." No.
- throwaway8879 7y ago
  I agree with you. I don't play video games, but at this point in my life, I don't even want normal politics, why would I want politics in my entertainment? Probably also why I'm seriously turned off by musicians with political agenda, like Roger Waters.
- stale2002 7y ago
  > I could imagine a huuuge amount of political statements that are illegal in my home country, Germany. Since I was raised there these rules are ingrained in me: "Free Speech" is not a thing (if we compare it to the US) Well I am sorry for the people who live in that country. > compared to - say - supporting Texas leaving the US I don't think many people would care if someone playing a video game said "Free Texas!". I certainly wouldn't. Go ahead and do that.
  - darklajid 7y ago
    > Well I am sorry for the people who live in that country. And this, Hacker News, is why it's hard to argue on English platforms / on mostly American sites. This poster, in a single reply, just showed extreme arrogance, perceived superiority and complete unawareness of cultural differences - because obviously anything other than what the US constitution says is inferior and needs to be pitied. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- cthalupa 7y ago
  >Is it not? I truly, honestly, don't know how complex that is in the end, compared to - say - supporting Texas leving the US, Bavaria leaving Germany, Basque leaving Spain The HK protestors aren't attempting to secede in any real quantity. It is not on their list of demands. They want a free Hong Kong, but it being part of China is perfectly acceptable as long as they have that freedom. >Westerner here. No, I don't want ANY political agenda in game streams. Perhaps you should, so you can be more informed on a position before posting opinions such as this. As evidenced by the above, you don't actually know what this protest is about, yet are trying to create comparisons that will mislead others that are uninformed. >No. I was going to write out a lengthier response about what the similarities actually are between the two, but you provided a zero effort response, so I guess I can too: Yes.