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I frequently walked home from work in Oakland at 1am when I worked a night shift. I always wore headphones too and people would tell me I was being stupid. Afte

I frequently walked home from work in Oakland at 1am when I worked a night shift. I always wore headphones too and people would tell me I was being stupid. After about a year and a half of this I was coming up a hill to a four way intersection when someone popped out from behind a fence just before I passed it, grabbed my shirt and stuck a gun in my stomach. He ended up being not the worst and let me keep my keys and license when I asked. It only takes once, and the consequences for her would probably have been much worse.

HeWhoLurksLate 7y ago
Yikes! How did you get the gun out of your stomach?
- tripzilch 7y ago
  He still had the keys.
exolymph 7y ago
> the consequences for her would probably have been much worse. Are you assuming that the mugger you encountered would have raped her? (To be clear, I don't think that's a prima facie invalid assumption. It's a sincere object-level question.)
- omegabravo 7y ago
  No, they are assuming it could have been worse. That includes the possibility of having a gun pulled on them like OP which only happened once.
- arkitaip 7y ago
  Amazing, I can't even begin to understand how you reached that conclusion. Maybe you're a 4D being?
  - exolymph 7y ago
    The person I was responding to said: "It only takes once, and the consequences for her would probably have been much worse." I was trying to figure out what he meant / what the assumption indicated, which I still don't understand.
    - phalangion 7y ago
      They are implying that the outcome for the girl hitchhiking around Mexico could have been worse had one of the criminals or other bad actors been the one to pick her up. I believe the purpose of the story here is to warn against survivorship bias. Just because something bad doesn't happen to you when you do something risky, it does not mean that the bad thing does not or cannot happen. Someone hitchhiking solo around Mexico (or anywhere) is taking a risk of being picked up by nefarious persons and having bad things happen, such as sexual assault, kidnapping, torture, or murder. The fact that one girl did it for a month with no issue does not necessarily mean that there is no risk in doing it. The purpose of the Oakland story is to warn that just because something bad doesn't happen, even for a long time, it does not mean that the bad thing does not happen.
    - Wofiel 7y ago
      >In this manner, she traveled around Mexico for a month, and she never had a dangerous ride. >the consequences for her would probably have been much worse These are the two linked statements — if she had had a dangerous ride, the consequences could have been worse (abduction in a foreign country etc.) than the consequences of a mugging in your own city.
cdelsolar 7y ago
yeah I did a ton of late night walks in Oakland and nothing ever happened, but I figured it was only a matter of time :/

HeWhoLurksLate 7y ago

Yikes! How did you get the gun out of your stomach?

tripzilch 7y ago
He still had the keys.

exolymph 7y ago

> the consequences for her would probably have been much worse. Are you assuming that the mugger you encountered would have raped her? (To be clear, I don't think that's a prima facie invalid assumption. It's a sincere object-level question.)

omegabravo 7y ago
No, they are assuming it could have been worse. That includes the possibility of having a gun pulled on them like OP which only happened once.
arkitaip 7y ago
Amazing, I can't even begin to understand how you reached that conclusion. Maybe you're a 4D being?
- exolymph 7y ago
  The person I was responding to said: "It only takes once, and the consequences for her would probably have been much worse." I was trying to figure out what he meant / what the assumption indicated, which I still don't understand.
  - phalangion 7y ago
    They are implying that the outcome for the girl hitchhiking around Mexico could have been worse had one of the criminals or other bad actors been the one to pick her up. I believe the purpose of the story here is to warn against survivorship bias. Just because something bad doesn't happen to you when you do something risky, it does not mean that the bad thing does not or cannot happen. Someone hitchhiking solo around Mexico (or anywhere) is taking a risk of being picked up by nefarious persons and having bad things happen, such as sexual assault, kidnapping, torture, or murder. The fact that one girl did it for a month with no issue does not necessarily mean that there is no risk in doing it. The purpose of the Oakland story is to warn that just because something bad doesn't happen, even for a long time, it does not mean that the bad thing does not happen.
  - Wofiel 7y ago
    >In this manner, she traveled around Mexico for a month, and she never had a dangerous ride. >the consequences for her would probably have been much worse These are the two linked statements — if she had had a dangerous ride, the consequences could have been worse (abduction in a foreign country etc.) than the consequences of a mugging in your own city.

cdelsolar 7y ago

yeah I did a ton of late night walks in Oakland and nothing ever happened, but I figured it was only a matter of time :/