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CloudFlare banned a site that was far, far outside the American political mainstream. Blizzard banned a player for saying something that is completely within th

CloudFlare banned a site that was far, far outside the American political mainstream. Blizzard banned a player for saying something that is completely within the American political mainstream, to the point that supporting Hong Kong is a rare bipartisan stance. When you go against the mainstream American stance to curry favor with an authoritarian regime that is also a current political enemy, well, that's kind of kicking the hornet's nest.

magashna 7y ago
> Blizzard banned a player for saying something that is completely within the American political mainstream Apparently not, considering how many US companies have decided that this is kind of talk is forbidden.
AlohaFractal 7y ago
An important tenet of the American ideal of freedom of speech involves specifically protecting unpopular speech, allowing people to express minority viewpoints without fear of suppression by the majority. By this standard, Cloudflare's censorship of TDS is far less defensible that Blizzard's censorship of blitzchung. Saying that speech within the mainstream should be allowed and speech outside the mainstream should not be allowed is a violation of this tenet. If you support freedom of speech, you should support TDS's right to speak as strongly as blitzchung's.
- ican1 7y ago
  "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Evelyn Beatrice Hall, often misattributed to Voltaire.[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_Beatrice_Hall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_Beatrice_Hall
ican1 7y ago
Free speech only for political mainstream is political mainstream speech, not free speech. E.g. completely open borders and unrestricted immigration is surely outside the American political mainstream, is it okay to ban any discussion of it?
ThrowawayR2 7y ago
> CloudFlare banned a site that was far, far outside the American political mainstream. Were this the 1950s during the Red Scare, people would have said the same thing, except the thing that would have been "far, far outside the American political mainstream" would've been Communists, leftists, pro-unionists, and other members of the political left. You know, the political wing you are a part of. Want to reconsider your opinion? It's not as if a swing to the right couldn't happen again as the past few years of elections have shown.
- WrtCdEvrydy 7y ago
  > a swing to the right Further than nazis?

magashna 7y ago

> Blizzard banned a player for saying something that is completely within the American political mainstream Apparently not, considering how many US companies have decided that this is kind of talk is forbidden.

AlohaFractal 7y ago

An important tenet of the American ideal of freedom of speech involves specifically protecting unpopular speech, allowing people to express minority viewpoints without fear of suppression by the majority. By this standard, Cloudflare's censorship of TDS is far less defensible that Blizzard's censorship of blitzchung. Saying that speech within the mainstream should be allowed and speech outside the mainstream should not be allowed is a violation of this tenet. If you support freedom of speech, you should support TDS's right to speak as strongly as blitzchung's.

ican1 7y ago
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Evelyn Beatrice Hall, often misattributed to Voltaire.[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_Beatrice_Hall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_Beatrice_Hall

ican1 7y ago

Free speech only for political mainstream is political mainstream speech, not free speech. E.g. completely open borders and unrestricted immigration is surely outside the American political mainstream, is it okay to ban any discussion of it?

ThrowawayR2 7y ago

> CloudFlare banned a site that was far, far outside the American political mainstream. Were this the 1950s during the Red Scare, people would have said the same thing, except the thing that would have been "far, far outside the American political mainstream" would've been Communists, leftists, pro-unionists, and other members of the political left. You know, the political wing you are a part of. Want to reconsider your opinion? It's not as if a swing to the right couldn't happen again as the past few years of elections have shown.

WrtCdEvrydy 7y ago
> a swing to the right Further than nazis?