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I've found that some of my most worthwhile relationships have been with people that pushed me out of the comfort zone. I'd say make sure that if you do push pe

I've found that some of my most worthwhile relationships have been with people that pushed me out of the comfort zone. I'd say make sure that if you do push people to change, it is for their benefit rather than yours.

Tomminn 7y ago
Sure, but the kinds of requests NVC codifies are ones where "you hurt my feelings via action X".
- x220 7y ago
  No, NVC would have you say "I feel X when I notice you doing Y." The way you phrased it implies blame.
  - rimliu 7y ago
    How is NVC way any different? "I feel sad because you did X" is just sugarcoated "You are the one who made me feel sad by doing X". I find the "uncover your feelings" the most questionable point of the whole framework. Instantly reminds me of Stephen Fry's — I am rather offended by that – So fucking what? Long ago I made an observation that anger and other feelings are more of our perception of someone's actions than the actions themselves. From that time on "90% of everything is attitude" became one of the my favourite sayings. Also, I am not sure if NVC sits well with the fundamental attribution error.
    - thecrash 7y ago
      Words are just a way of conveying meaning, and it's always possible to interpret someone's words as implying blame. A motivated listener can take the most impartial, detached observation and hear it as a blistering indictment. If someone is told the words "I feel a lot of anxiety about our financial stability" it's completely possible for them to understand the "true meaning" as "You're a useless slob who can't hold a proper job and I hate you" But this doesn't mean that words don't matter. We don't control the meaning we convey, but we do influence it. Choice of words and phrasing is a very powerful tool for that. There are other tools as well, of course. But getting the words right is the low hanging fruit for most people.
mikekchar 7y ago
I think the key word there is "require". It's always great to try to help people, but in the end which road they walk down is up to them. My take on it is "Never expect other people to change, but also don't expect them not to change either".
- nhumrich 7y ago
  The word require was never actually used, so not sure how it can be a key word.

Tomminn 7y ago

Sure, but the kinds of requests NVC codifies are ones where "you hurt my feelings via action X".

x220 7y ago
No, NVC would have you say "I feel X when I notice you doing Y." The way you phrased it implies blame.
- rimliu 7y ago
  How is NVC way any different? "I feel sad because you did X" is just sugarcoated "You are the one who made me feel sad by doing X". I find the "uncover your feelings" the most questionable point of the whole framework. Instantly reminds me of Stephen Fry's — I am rather offended by that – So fucking what? Long ago I made an observation that anger and other feelings are more of our perception of someone's actions than the actions themselves. From that time on "90% of everything is attitude" became one of the my favourite sayings. Also, I am not sure if NVC sits well with the fundamental attribution error.
  - thecrash 7y ago
    Words are just a way of conveying meaning, and it's always possible to interpret someone's words as implying blame. A motivated listener can take the most impartial, detached observation and hear it as a blistering indictment. If someone is told the words "I feel a lot of anxiety about our financial stability" it's completely possible for them to understand the "true meaning" as "You're a useless slob who can't hold a proper job and I hate you" But this doesn't mean that words don't matter. We don't control the meaning we convey, but we do influence it. Choice of words and phrasing is a very powerful tool for that. There are other tools as well, of course. But getting the words right is the low hanging fruit for most people.

mikekchar 7y ago

I think the key word there is "require". It's always great to try to help people, but in the end which road they walk down is up to them. My take on it is "Never expect other people to change, but also don't expect them not to change either".

nhumrich 7y ago
The word require was never actually used, so not sure how it can be a key word.