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The difference is that the USSR was a small market, so it was possible to crush it economically, which is what the West did. This time around China is looking

The difference is that the USSR was a small market, so it was possible to crush it economically, which is what the West did. This time around China is looking to become the largest market and if we let it to become one before China sheds its "communism with Chinese characteristics", it will crush the West.

erentz 7y ago
And in large part that is due to our different approach to China. Opening up trade with China enabled its economy to reach the level it did today. In part [0] the minds thought trade would bring liberalization in China. But that didn’t happen, it’s quite a thing to walk back now but clearly it needs to happen. Unfortunately the politics of the US and EU are in absolute disarray so coordinating that is difficult to imagine. ([0] In another part forming relationships with China was also in part about putting a wedge between China and the USSR. Which may have been more productive but doesn’t explain the normal relationship since 1990.)
rayiner 7y ago
> This time around China is looking to become the largest market and if we let it to become one before China sheds its "communism with Chinese characteristics", it will crush the West. If China can shed Communism and compete with the West as a free society, then more power to it. It might hurt American pride a bit, but the U.K. seems to have managed...
- sodosopa 7y ago
  > but the U.K. seems to have managed... Except for that Brexit conundrum.
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birdyrooster 7y ago
The Communist Party is selling out the future of the Chinese people for its own security. The world will not continue to subsidize China now that they have removed their mask. The monoculture they are building lacks the social tools necessary to compete on the global stage without external assistance and the west knows it. There has been a lot of handwringing over China becoming the new global super power but what we seem to have instead is a repeat of North Korea but on much greater scale.
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erentz 7y ago

And in large part that is due to our different approach to China. Opening up trade with China enabled its economy to reach the level it did today. In part [0] the minds thought trade would bring liberalization in China. But that didn’t happen, it’s quite a thing to walk back now but clearly it needs to happen. Unfortunately the politics of the US and EU are in absolute disarray so coordinating that is difficult to imagine. ([0] In another part forming relationships with China was also in part about putting a wedge between China and the USSR. Which may have been more productive but doesn’t explain the normal relationship since 1990.)

rayiner 7y ago

> This time around China is looking to become the largest market and if we let it to become one before China sheds its "communism with Chinese characteristics", it will crush the West. If China can shed Communism and compete with the West as a free society, then more power to it. It might hurt American pride a bit, but the U.K. seems to have managed...

sodosopa 7y ago
> but the U.K. seems to have managed... Except for that Brexit conundrum.
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birdyrooster 7y ago

The Communist Party is selling out the future of the Chinese people for its own security. The world will not continue to subsidize China now that they have removed their mask. The monoculture they are building lacks the social tools necessary to compete on the global stage without external assistance and the west knows it. There has been a lot of handwringing over China becoming the new global super power but what we seem to have instead is a repeat of North Korea but on much greater scale.

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