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I don’t get how this is supposed to work with sports and other activities. In high school I had water polo/swimming practice mornings at 6:15. Is that now illeg

I don’t get how this is supposed to work with sports and other activities. In high school I had water polo/swimming practice mornings at 6:15. Is that now illegal?

dvlsg 7y ago
I suspect the start time is meant only for classes, not extra-curriculars.
- graphememes 7y ago
  Nobody ever thinks about the edge cases
  - standardUser 7y ago
    Yes they do. Under this law, extracurricular and voluntary "early bird" classes are still allowed before 8am.
    - malandrew 7y ago
      Typically they don't until they are forced to by an adversarial process. Compare AB5 in its original form versus what was eventually passed. The number of professional groups that stepped in and pushed for exceptions for their trade is a testament to how poorly the original authors of AB5 did thinking about the edge cases. By the time it passed, it was largely exceptions.
      - guelo 7y ago
        So the legislative process worked, cool.
        graphememes 7y ago
        Usually very late for many people by that point.
6gvONxR4sf7o 7y ago
Since it doesn't apply to "zero-period" classes, it probably doesn't apply to sports practices either.
driverdan 7y ago
It should be. There's a lot of research showing that kids need 8+ hours of sleep even more than adults.
- colordrops 7y ago
  Why can't you get 8+ hours of sleep if you have practice at 6:15?
  - driverdan 7y ago
    How many people did you know in school that went to bed at 10pm? I don't think I knew any.
    - jumpingmice 7y ago
      I just slept through third period every day.
  - macintux 7y ago
    Let’s say you can sleep until 5, which is somewhat optimistic for many families with multiple responsibilities in the morning. That means you have to be asleep no later than 9, which means depending on the time of year it may still be light out, and certainly the community is still fairly active. Plus I recall a recent study that essentially said teenagers are naturally night owls. Expecting teenagers to be asleep by 9 is a losing battle.
  - makemoniesonlin 7y ago
    Because it is tough for high school students to fall asleep early enough. "In the teenage years, the hormonal response to the 24-hour daily light/dark exposure that influences circadian rhythm is altered, making adolescents physiologically yearn to stay awake later at night and to remain asleep later in the day." https://www.neurologytimes.com/blog/teenage-circadian-rhythm https://www.neurologytimes.com/blog/teenage-circadian-rhythm
alistairSH 7y ago
As noted, it's not illegal. But, you could also move practice to the afternoon like most school sports. None of my high school's athletic programs were before class.

I don’t get how this is supposed to work with sports and other activities. In high school I had water polo/swimming practice mornings at 6:15. Is that now illegal?

dvlsg 7y ago

I suspect the start time is meant only for classes, not extra-curriculars.

graphememes 7y ago
Nobody ever thinks about the edge cases
- standardUser 7y ago
  Yes they do. Under this law, extracurricular and voluntary "early bird" classes are still allowed before 8am.
  - malandrew 7y ago
    Typically they don't until they are forced to by an adversarial process. Compare AB5 in its original form versus what was eventually passed. The number of professional groups that stepped in and pushed for exceptions for their trade is a testament to how poorly the original authors of AB5 did thinking about the edge cases. By the time it passed, it was largely exceptions.
    - guelo 7y ago
      So the legislative process worked, cool.
      - graphememes 7y ago
        Usually very late for many people by that point.

6gvONxR4sf7o 7y ago

Since it doesn't apply to "zero-period" classes, it probably doesn't apply to sports practices either.

driverdan 7y ago

It should be. There's a lot of research showing that kids need 8+ hours of sleep even more than adults.

colordrops 7y ago
Why can't you get 8+ hours of sleep if you have practice at 6:15?
- driverdan 7y ago
  How many people did you know in school that went to bed at 10pm? I don't think I knew any.
  - jumpingmice 7y ago
    I just slept through third period every day.
- macintux 7y ago
  Let’s say you can sleep until 5, which is somewhat optimistic for many families with multiple responsibilities in the morning. That means you have to be asleep no later than 9, which means depending on the time of year it may still be light out, and certainly the community is still fairly active. Plus I recall a recent study that essentially said teenagers are naturally night owls. Expecting teenagers to be asleep by 9 is a losing battle.
- makemoniesonlin 7y ago
  Because it is tough for high school students to fall asleep early enough. "In the teenage years, the hormonal response to the 24-hour daily light/dark exposure that influences circadian rhythm is altered, making adolescents physiologically yearn to stay awake later at night and to remain asleep later in the day." https://www.neurologytimes.com/blog/teenage-circadian-rhythm https://www.neurologytimes.com/blog/teenage-circadian-rhythm

alistairSH 7y ago

As noted, it's not illegal. But, you could also move practice to the afternoon like most school sports. None of my high school's athletic programs were before class.